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Hardware Forum / Video Cards / ATI / September 2008HD 4870 X2 ready by August, has 2gig of ram.
The release of the HD 4870x2 is scheduled to be by the first of August. It will have 2gb of GDDR5 memory on it. It is expected to be priced around $499 US. See a small article at: http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20080702PD213.html And to make matters more interesting, nVidia is expected to offer GDDR5-equipped cards in Q4 2008, and a new DX10.1 GPU in Q1 2009. http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/38247/135/ Competition is good.  Signature"War is the continuation of politics by other means. It can therefore be said that politics is war without bloodshed while war is politics with bloodshed." > The release of the HD 4870x2 is scheduled to be by the first of August. > It will have 2gb of GDDR5 memory on it. It is expected to be priced > around $499 US. > > See a small article at: http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20080702PD213.html >And to make matters more interesting, nVidia is expected to offer >GDDR5-equipped cards in Q4 2008, and a new DX10.1 GPU in Q1 2009. >http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/38247/135/ > >Competition is good. And if they keep pricing this sh.t so high, sales with be bad!!! > In article <UuydnQk_CoIT4PDVnZ2dnUVZ_j6dn...@giganews.com>, "First of One" <r...@127.0.0.1> wrote:>And to make matters more interesting, nVidia is expected to offer > >GDDR5-equipped cards in Q4 2008, and a new DX10.1 GPU in Q1 2009. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > And if they keep pricing this sh.t so high, sales with be bad!!! I think you will find this isn't high compared to the best nVidia cards of just a few months back. In fact the 9800 GX2 with 1GB of DDR3 RAM is about the same price, and all indications are that the 4870 x2 will perform much better. So while I am not in the market, I don't think the price is outrageous. James nVidia just lowered the price of the GTX280 by about $100, only days after launch. Newegg has it now for $520, includes Assassin's Creed: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150309 Signature"War is the continuation of politics by other means. It can therefore be said that politics is war without bloodshed while war is politics with bloodshed." >>And to make matters more interesting, nVidia is expected to offer >>GDDR5-equipped cards in Q4 2008, and a new DX10.1 GPU in Q1 2009. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> > And if they keep pricing this sh.t so high, sales with be bad!!! > The release of the HD 4870x2 is scheduled to be by the first of August. It > will have 2gb of GDDR5 memory on it. It is expected to be priced around > $499 US. > > See a small article at: http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20080702PD213.html I would worry about quality of its driver.... unless you don't plan to use Vi$ta. Signature@~@ Might, Courage, Vision, SINCERITY. / v \ Simplicity is Beauty! May the Force and Farce be with you! /( _ )\ (Xubuntu 8.04) Linux 2.6.25.10 ^ ^ 10:40:01 up 13:57 3 users load average: 1.01 1.04 1.00 ? ? (CSSA): http://www.swd.gov.hk/tc/index/site_pubsvc/page_socsecu/sub_addressesa/ ATI Vista drivers are actually a tad more mature than nVida Vista drivers... The 4870 isn't architecturally that different from the 3870. It just has more shader and texture units. I believe you also need Vista to do CrossfireX or 3-way SLI efficiently. Something about a limitation in the number of buffered frames in XP. Signature"War is the continuation of politics by other means. It can therefore be said that politics is war without bloodshed while war is politics with bloodshed." > I would worry about quality of its driver.... unless you don't plan to use > Vi$ta. > The release of the HD 4870x2 is scheduled to be by the first of August. > It will have 2gb of GDDR5 memory on it. It is expected to be priced > around $499 US. > > See a small article at: http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20080702PD213.html That 2GB is going to take a big chunk of the 4GB of virtual memory space on systems running 32 bit OS's, unless they have a work around that only 1GB is mapped in at a time. No problem for 64 bit OS's. * William: > The release of the HD 4870x2 is scheduled to be by the first of August. It > will have 2gb of GDDR5 memory on it. It is expected to be priced around > $499 US. > > See a small article at: http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20080702PD213.html Let's hope this means there'll be a 1GB 4870. SignatureDerek > * William: > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > -- > Derek Apparently there will be a 1GB, GDDR3 version of R700 / 4870 X2 (calling it 4850 X2 seems more fitting though) coming sometime after the highend 2GB, GDDR5 4870 X2. http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=8284&Itemid=34 * nv55: >> * William: >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=8284&Itemid=34 It's a non X2 4870 that I want a 1GB version of. SignatureDerek I hope that Sapphire releases vapour chamber cooled variants of these X2 cards. I have a 3870 CF setup with two of those vapour chamber cooled cards. They run 20 degrees C cooler than the ordinary cooler, and they are overclocked from 800mhz to 850. I can't remember what I have the memory at, at the minute. Cooler, quieter, faster, and a single slot design. Fantastic cards. >> The release of the HD 4870x2 is scheduled to be by the first of > Let's hope this means there'll be a 1GB 4870. Well, there is no true DirectX 10 or 10.1 games right now? Signature@~@ Might, Courage, Vision, SINCERITY. / v \ Simplicity is Beauty! May the Force and Farce be with you! /( _ )\ (Xubuntu 8.04) Linux 2.6.25.10 ^ ^ 11:33:01 up 2 days 14:50 2 users load average: 1.00 1.00 1.00 ? ? (CSSA): http://www.swd.gov.hk/tc/index/site_pubsvc/page_socsecu/sub_addressesa/ What exactly constitutes a "true" DX10 or DX10.1 game for you? For that matter, what additional visual effects did DX10 introduce that couldn't be done in DX9? Signature"War is the continuation of politics by other means. It can therefore be said that politics is war without bloodshed while war is politics with bloodshed." >>> The release of the HD 4870x2 is scheduled to be by the first of >> Let's hope this means there'll be a 1GB 4870. > > Well, there is no true DirectX 10 or 10.1 games right now? > What exactly constitutes a "true" DX10 or DX10.1 game for you? For that > matter, what additional visual effects did DX10 introduce that couldn't be > done in DX9? I read that DirectX 10 means a lot of rendering is done inside the GPU card, without involving the CPU. But then, I don't know what exactly Micro$oft was/is bashing about as I don't write 3D games. Signature@~@ Might, Courage, Vision, SINCERITY. / v \ Simplicity is Beauty! May the Force and Farce be with you! /( _ )\ (Xubuntu 8.04) Linux 2.6.25.10 ^ ^ 16:05:01 up 2 days 19:22 2 users load average: 1.04 1.05 1.00 ? ? (CSSA): http://www.swd.gov.hk/tc/index/site_pubsvc/page_socsecu/sub_addressesa/ * Man-wai Chang ToDie (33.6k): >> Let's hope this means there'll be a 1GB 4870. > > Well, there is no true DirectX 10 or 10.1 games right now? There are several games that use DirectX 10 (don't know what you mean by "true"). Besides that, what has the availability of DX10/DX10.1 games to do with 1GB of gfx memory? Benjamin * DerekBaker: > Let's hope this means there'll be a 1GB 4870. There should be as 512MB isn't really great for a high end gfx card any more (and just too low for some of my applications). I'm holding back my 4870 purchase until the 1GB GDDR5 versions come out which I heard should be end of July. Does anyone know more about it? Benjamin > There should be as 512MB isn't really great for a high end gfx card any > more (and just too low for some of my applications). I'm holding back my > 4870 purchase until the 1GB GDDR5 versions come out which I heard should > be end of July. Don't forget to keep an eye on the type of stock heatsink unless you are prepared to spend more in it. Signature@~@ Might, Courage, Vision, SINCERITY. / v \ Simplicity is Beauty! May the Force and Farce be with you! /( _ )\ (Xubuntu 8.04) Linux 2.6.25.10 ^ ^ 19:41:01 up 2 days 22:58 2 users load average: 1.00 1.02 1.00 ? ? (CSSA): http://www.swd.gov.hk/tc/index/site_pubsvc/page_socsecu/sub_addressesa/ * Man-wai Chang ToDie (33.6k): >> There should be as 512MB isn't really great for a high end gfx card >> any more (and just too low for some of my applications). I'm holding [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Don't forget to keep an eye on the type of stock heatsink unless you are > prepared to spend more in it. I'm prepared to put an after market heatsink on it SignatureDerek Benjamin Gawert <bgawert@gmx.de> wrote in news:6dbcu9F1oor0U2 @mid.individual.net: > There should be as 512MB isn't really great for a high end gfx card any > more (and just too low for some of my applications). 4870 uses DDR5 which has far greater bandwidth than DDR3. 512mb of DRR5 gives about the same bandwidth as 1GB of DDR3. Bandwidth should not be confused with capacity. 512 MB of DDR5 actually gives twice the bandwidth of 1 GB of DDR3 at equal clock speeds. However, 1 GB of DDR3 may still be faster in some new games that use large textures which don't always fit in 512 MB. Remember that not all memory on the card can be used for textures. At 1920x1200 4xAA, the framebuffer uses about 74 MB. In a 512 MB card, this leaves only 438 MB for textures. Signature"War is the continuation of politics by other means. It can therefore be said that politics is war without bloodshed while war is politics with bloodshed." > 4870 uses DDR5 which has far greater bandwidth than DDR3. 512mb of DRR5 > gives about the same bandwidth as 1GB of DDR3. > Bandwidth should not be confused with capacity. 512 MB of DDR5 > actually gives twice the bandwidth of 1 GB of DDR3 at equal clock > speeds. However, 1 GB of DDR3 may still be faster in some new games > that use large textures which don't always fit in 512 MB. But the benchmarks shows 896mb GDDR3 doesn't give better performance than 512mb of GDRR5. Look up 260 vs 4870 benchmarks. Actually 896MB makes a difference, though only in the newest, most demanding games. For example, see: http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTUyNCw2LCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdA== The 896MB of RAM allows the 260 to comfortably run with 2xAA at 1920x1200, whereas enabling AA results in unacceptable performance on the 4870 at the same resolution. Typically, at the beginning only one or two games exposes the performance gap between less and more video RAM. Back in the day, Quake3 (map Q3DM9) showed the benefits of 64MB compared to 32MB. Later on, Jedi Knight II showed the benefits of 128MB over 64MB. Signature"War is the continuation of politics by other means. It can therefore be said that politics is war without bloodshed while war is politics with bloodshed." > But the benchmarks shows 896mb GDDR3 doesn't give better performance than > 512mb of GDRR5. Look up 260 vs 4870 benchmarks. * Benjamin Gawert: > * DerekBaker: > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Benjamin Finally! Just pulled the trigger on a 1GB 4870 today. Been using a POS Geforce 8400GS in the mean time - my other cards were AGP. SignatureDerek Here are some 2gig cards that are available now. http://www.scan.co.uk/Index.aspx?NT=1-0-94-575-0 Phil. >* Benjamin Gawert: >> * DerekBaker: [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Finally! Just pulled the trigger on a 1GB 4870 today. Been using a POS > Geforce 8400GS in the mean time - my other cards were AGP. * timelord: > Here are some 2gig cards that are available now. > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >> Finally! Just pulled the trigger on a 1GB 4870 today. Been using a POS >> Geforce 8400GS in the mean time - my other cards were AGP. Those are X2's. In this part of the thread we were talking about non-X2 4870s. SignatureDerek |
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