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Ellen Hall - 08 Apr 2006 21:09 GMT

Hello,

3 years ago I purchased many new packages of Imation CD-RW's. I've used 2/3
of them with no problem. Down to the last group (still unopened), and
they're almost 100% "bad" for formatting ("at least 20 errors found....")
using both HP DLA and Roxio.

I'm aware of the pervasive argument against using CD-RW's for permanent
storage, and to me that meant after a CD was formatted and recorded to. I
know I'll never find the answer for certain, but does anyone know of
CD/CD-RW's having some kind of "shelf life," even unopened and unused? It's
definitely possible that they were bad when I purchased them, but there's no
way of knowing that now.

Any thoughts welcome.

Thank you.

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smh - 09 Apr 2006 10:02 GMT

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Mike Richter, were you born with
"Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face?
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> Hello,
>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> definitely possible that they were bad when I purchased them, but there's no
> way of knowing that now.

(Yet another *proof* that CD-RW media is *inherently* unreliable,
fragile, flaky and forgetful !!!???)

CD manufactures' stated "shelf" life for both CD-R/RW is 5-10 years,
whereas the "archival" life of CD-R is 100 years and 50 years for
CD-RW.

The slimiest friggin SOB Mike Richter uses 50/100 years archival life
difference as one of the proofs that CD-RW media is unreliable, fragile,
flaky and forgetful.

Here's another supposed proof that CD-RW media is unreliable, fragile,
flaky and forgetful:

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Mike Richter's Cockamamie Mumbo Jumbo on CD-RW Media
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From: Mike Richter (Slimy Friggin sh.t)
Date: 7/26/02

Jens Fangmeier (author of Feurio) wrote:
>
> Sorry, but this is totally wrong:
>
> a high-speed cd-rw recorder can not handle non-hs media

That is not correct.

A recorder designated "High Speed" on the logo is designed
to take only "High Speed" media when erasables are being used.

Some will record adequately on 1x-4x blanks, but results are
inconsistent, erasure is usually difficult and
error rates are high.
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Mikey must have dug the C1 errors out of a.sholes:

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Mikey Richter, Digging C1 Errors out of a.sholes?
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Mike Richter (Slimy Friggin sh.t) splattered (8/10/05):

> James Perrett wrote (8/8/05):

Are you using the Plextor 1210S to measure errors?
If so then I'm not surprised that you don't see any C1 errors
because it can't report them.

> > Do you ever see any C1 errors with CDSpeed on your machines?
>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> Unfortunately, I'm not running Plextools and therefore have no further
> information to offer.

Perhaps the Plextor used to pull the C1 errors out of thin air?
Perhaps CDSpeed used to pull the C1 errors out of thin air?
Perhaps Plextools used to pull the C1 errors out of thin air?

Anyhow, how would you get the C1 errors when you don't even have
a drive reporting the C1 errors?

Perhaps you used to dig the C1 errors out of your a.sholes, Mikey?
'
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Wow! What a slimy friggin SOB!
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Mikey, you are the Slimiest Friggin SOB!
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Mike Richter, were you born with
"Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face?
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(Mike Richter, any Material Connection w/ Roxio?)

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Ellen Hall - 09 Apr 2006 19:33 GMT

> . --------------------------------------
> Mike Richter, were you born with
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> > definitely possible that they were bad when I purchased them, but there's no
> > way of knowing that now.

snip

> CD manufactures' stated "shelf" life for both CD-R/RW is 5-10 years,
> whereas the "archival" life of CD-R is 100 years and 50 years for
> CD-RW.

That's probably the most information available for my question. Thanks!

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GMAN - 11 Apr 2006 08:15 GMT

>.. --------------------------------------
> Mike Richter, were you born with
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
>whereas the "archival" life of CD-R is 100 years and 50 years for
>CD-RW.

SMH, are you such a retard that you do not realize that you are actually
agreeing with what Mike stated?

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smh - 16 Apr 2006 03:57 GMT

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how HUGE are your BALLS, Adrian Miller?
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Only a trashy company like Roxio or Adaptec
let loosed in Usenet this utter trash
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Deirdre Straughan (Roxio) is a LIAR
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Mike Richter is a LIAR
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GMAN is a LIAR
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GMAN (ex-cRoxio Beta Tester) squawked:

> >> I'm aware of the pervasive argument against using CD-RW's for permanent
> >> storage, and to me that meant after a CD was formatted and recorded to. I
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> SMH, are you such a retard that you do not realize that you are actually
> agreeing with what Mike stated?

Care to give an example of what Mikey stated that I am supposed to be
agreeing with?

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smh - 09 Apr 2006 14:01 GMT

. --------------------------------------
Mike Richter, were you born with
"Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face?
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> I'm aware of the pervasive argument against using CD-RW's for permanent
> storage, and to me that meant after a CD was formatted and recorded to.

When the slimiest friggin SOB Mike Richter was sh.tting for Take Two,
supposedly a backup software, Mikey spewed that it MUST use the
supposedly *inheritantly* fragile, flaky, faulty, unreliable packet
writing format, and that's for it to work IDEALLY, no less !!

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From: Mike Richter (Acraptec sh.t)
Date: 9/1/99
Subject: A note on Take Two

For Take Two to work IDEALLY, your drive must support
packet writing and you must have DCD installed...to do it.
=======================

Moreover, the supposedly *inherently* flaky, fragile, faulty, unreliable
packet writing format was good enough for BACKUP -- even when combined
with the supposedly *inherently* flaky, fragile, forgetful, unreliable
CD-RW media !!

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From: Mike Richter (Acraptec sh.t)
Date: 9/1/99
Subject: A note on Take Two

You may back up ...to a DCD-formatted erasable.
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But then when the reports of DirectCD bugs started pouring in, the SAME
combination of packet writing format and CD-RW media -- that was good
enough for backup -- became LETHAL for archiving:

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From: Mike Richter
Date: 10/15/01
Subject: File Integrity Errors - DirectCD Bug?

Combining the flaky UDF fixed-length packets with
the tendency of erasables ... to forget
is LETHAL for archiving.
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And this:

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From: Mike Richter (The Slimiest Friggin sh.t)
Date: 7/23/02

I would definitely *not* recommend fixed-length packets
for backup.

It is the least reliable and most fragile format available,
regardless of the software you choose to write it.
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Wow! What a slimy friggin SOB!
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Mikey, you are the Slimiest Friggin SOB!
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Mike Richter, were you born with
"Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face?
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(Mike Richter, any Material Connection w/ Roxio?)

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smh - 09 Apr 2006 19:45 GMT

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Mike Richter, were you born with
"Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face?
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> I'm aware of the pervasive argument against using CD-RW's for permanent
> storage, and to me that meant after a CD was formatted and recorded to.

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Mike Richter (The Slimiest Friggin sh.t) crapped (1/1/06):
>
> Forgetfulness is a property of erasable CDs

Does CD-R last forever? No? You mean CD-R is
also forgetful?
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Wow! What a slimy friggin SOB!
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Mikey, you are the Slimiest Friggin SOB!
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Mike Richter, were you born with
"Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face?
--------------------------------------
(Mike Richter, any Material Connection w/ Roxio?)

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smh - 15 May 2006 10:18 GMT

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Mike Richter, were you born with
"Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face?
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> I'm aware of the pervasive argument against using CD-RW's for permanent
> storage

Subscribe to Mikey's cockamamie mumbo jumbo?

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Mike Richter (The Slimiest Friggin SOB) barfed:

> milser wrote:
> > I've read this before and I was wondering why this is so.
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> months. When one proved hard to read, I checked them all and found
> substantial soft errors and a couple of uncorrectable ones.

Wow!!! 6 to 12 months???!!! That looooooooonng time???!!!
How about quickly?

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Should CD-RW's have such extreme problems so quickly?
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From: Arthur Lipscomb
Date: 10/13/01
Subject: File Integrity Errors

Mike Richter (The Slimiest Friggin sh.t) crapped:
>
> Arthur Lipscomb wrote:
> >
> > using Easy CD Creator 5 Platinum on a Windows Me computer.
> > I ran scandisk on a CDRW disk and it came back with a file
> > integrity error
>
> You are using the least reliable and most fragile format
> available for storage on CD. More than that, you appear to have
> flaky erasable media, possibly because they've been erased too
> often, possibly because they are not well matched to your
> writer.

... Or are you saying the problem is I'm formatting them as
rewriteable. Which even if it's not as reliable as formatting
as read only,

shouldn't have such extreme problems so quickly.

In the previous example, the disc was formatted once, and I ran
scandisc immediately after transferring the files to the disc.
So the problem wasn't caused by repeatedly erasing the disc.

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[No response from the slimiest friggin SOB Mike Richter)

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Mike Richter, were you born with
"Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face?
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(Mike Richter, any Material Connection w/ Roxio?)

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