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Hardware Forum / Storage / CD and DVD / August 2008nero discspeed - erase vs format
DiscSpeed is a free download from Nero, which includes an erase function. The dialog has both Erase and Format functions. What is the difference? SCSI MMC has ERASE. One of my DVD+RW has a faint arc scratch, which shows up as hard errors at 3GB. Should erase pick this up? The laser has to switch between read (tracking) and writing, and can detect some flaws during the former. > DiscSpeed is a free download from Nero, which includes an erase function. > The dialog has both Erase and Format functions. What is the difference? RWs particularly do need to be formatted before they are used. Thats not so visible with modern burner software because it mostly does do the formatting for you when required without you having to do it explicitly yourself. Erasing is what you do after its been used previously, to get rid of what you have previously written. > SCSI MMC has ERASE. Because the formatting is mostly done automatically with the writing now with most modern burner software. > One of my DVD+RW has a faint arc scratch, which shows up as hard errors at 3GB. > Should erase pick this up? Pick it up in what sense, report the bad patch ? > The laser has to switch between read (tracking) and writing, and can detect some flaws during the former. Yes, but a full verify is normally the best way to pick up physical problems. Thats optional with most modern burner software. > DiscSpeed is a free download from Nero, which includes an erase function. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Should erase pick this up? The laser has to switch between read > (tracking) and writing, and can detect some flaws during the former. A disc needs to be formatted before it will permit drag-and-drop. AFAIK, with Ahead software that applies only to erasable CDs (CD-RW). Erasing is erasing and in itself does not format; in fact, it destroys formatting if present. Any program which offers to format a disc should be fed one with nothing recorded. Given the way it is done, formatting s/w will either refuse to work on a disc with data or will make those data unreadable - effectively if not actually erasing the disc. Mike  Signaturemrichter@cpl.net http://www.mrichter.com/ . -------------------------------------- Mike Richter, were you born with "Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face? -------------------------------------- Mike Richter (Slimy sh.t) crapped: > > DiscSpeed is a free download from Nero, which includes an erase function. > > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > A disc needs to be formatted before it will permit drag-and-drop. A "virgin" DVD+RW needs to be formatted prior to its use even for mastering. > Erasing > is erasing and in itself does not format; in fact, it destroys > formatting if present. DVD+RW does not support erasing. DVD+RW formatting does not get destroyed. Mikey, is there an end to your spreading misinformation?! >. > Any program which offers to format a disc should be fed one with nothing > recorded. Given the way it is done, formatting s/w will either refuse to > work on a disc with data or will make those data unreadable - > effectively if not actually erasing the disc. Is this Mikey's wise words of the year? > . -------------------------------------- > Mike Richter, were you born with > "Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face? > -------------------------------------- This makes your contributions quite suspect. SignatureEd Light Better World News TV Channel: http://realnews.com Bring the Troops Home: http://bringthemhomenow.org http://antiwar.com Iraq Veterans Against the War: http://ivaw.org http://couragetoresist.org Send spam to the FTC at spam@uce.gov Thanks, robots. . -------------------------------------- Mike Richter, were you born with "Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face? -------------------------------------- > Mike Richter (Slimy sh.t) crapped: > > > > A disc needs to be formatted before it will permit drag-and-drop. > > A "virgin" DVD+RW needs to be formatted prior to its use even for > mastering. There are two formattings: (udf) formatting and (plain) formatting. DVD+RW needs to be (plain) formatted prior to its use. (udf) formatting is built on top of (plain) formatting. > > Erasing > > is erasing and in itself does not format; in fact, it destroys > > formatting if present. > > DVD+RW does not support erasing. DVD+RW formatting does not get > destroyed. DVD+RW spec does not support erasing. However, this does not prevent software/burner to implement some sort of erase functionality. In any event, the (plain) formatting does not get erased. The rationale behind DVD+RW not supporting erasing is that it is not necessary (as overwriting does it). It only unnecessarily takes away one cycle from the overwritability. >. > Mikey, is there an end to your spreading misinformation?! [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Is this Mikey's wise words of the year? > . -------------------------------------- > Mike Richter, were you born with > "Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face? > -------------------------------------- > >> Mike Richter (Slimy sh.t) crapped: Your smears make your info. suspect. SignatureEd Light Better World News TV Channel: http://realnews.com Bring the Troops Home: http://bringthemhomenow.org http://antiwar.com Iraq Veterans Against the War: http://ivaw.org http://couragetoresist.org Send spam to the FTC at spam@uce.gov Thanks, robots. ' Ed Light (Mikey S-licker) squealed: > > -------------------------------------- > > Mike Richter, were you born with [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Your smears make your info. suspect. No charge of libel? -------------------------------------------------------------- Mike Richter's Cockamamie Mumbo Jumbo on DVD+RW (format/erase) -------------------------------------------------------------- > ' > Ed Light (Mikey S-licker) squealed: I'm now a very proud "Mikey S-licker". Moving up in the world. As to having to format DVD+RW's before mastering -- heh -- should I make up some thuggish thing about you? Nope. SignatureEd Light Better World News TV Channel: http://realnews.com Bring the Troops Home: http://bringthemhomenow.org http://antiwar.com Iraq Veterans Against the War: http://ivaw.org http://couragetoresist.org Send spam to the FTC at spam@uce.gov Thanks, robots. > > Ed Light (Mikey S-licker) squealed: > > > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > As to having to format DVD+RW's before mastering -- heh -- should I make > up some thuggish thing about you? Nope. Again, no charge of libel? With Nero, burn a mastering session on a 'virgin' DVD+RW. Watch the burn progress message pane. You should see: "Start formatting disc before burning" "Formatting disc was successful" "Start write address at LBA 0" (See NeroHistory.log if you missed them.) There is no separate step for (plain) formatting. Nero automatically does it before burning. (Refrained from saying some 'thuggish' things about you here.) >>> Ed Light (Mikey S-licker) squealed: >>>>> -------------------------------------- [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > (Refrained from saying some 'thuggish' things about you here.) Thanks. I'm afraid I haven't got a DVD+RW handy. SignatureEd Light Better World News TV Channel: http://realnews.com Bring the Troops Home: http://bringthemhomenow.org http://antiwar.com Iraq Veterans Against the War: http://ivaw.org http://couragetoresist.org Send spam to the FTC at spam@uce.gov Thanks, robots. WHY in the f.ck are you both.. A) Responding to this asshat troll, AND B) Leaving the BULLSHIT subjectline intact?? Dumbass! SignatureLumber Cartel (tinlc) #2063. Spam this account at your own risk. This sig censored by the Office of Home, Land & Planet Insecurity... Remove XYZ to email me > WHY in the f.ck are you both.. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Dumbass! No, I did not write that. More agression. Guys, it's just little disks. Too many coasters? SignatureEd Light Better World News TV Channel: http://realnews.com Bring the Troops Home: http://bringthemhomenow.org http://antiwar.com Iraq Veterans Against the War: http://ivaw.org http://couragetoresist.org Send spam to the FTC at spam@uce.gov Thanks, robots. > WHY in the f.ck are you both.. > > A) Responding to this asshat troll, AND > > B) Leaving the BULLSHIT subjectline intact?? Isn't it rather obvious? > Dumbass! Dumbass yourself. . -------------------------------------- Mike Richter, were you born with "Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face? -------------------------------------- The Kat (Dumbass) screamed (8/10/08): > Ed Light (Mikey S-licker) slurped: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Dumbass! If "Mike Richter's Cockamamie Mumbo Jumbo on DVD (format/erase)" is bullshit, isn't "Mike Richter's Cockamamie Mumbo Jumbo on DVD Multisession (standard)" also bullshit? Calling yourself dumbass! ====================== From: Kram Date: 8/1/08 Subject: Mike Richter's Cockamamie Mumbo Jumbo on DVD Multisession (standard) ====================== . -------------------------------------- Mike Richter, were you born with "Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face? -------------------------------------- The Kat (Dumbass) screamed (8/10/08): > WHY in the f.ck are you both.. > > B) Leaving the BULLSHIT subjectline intact?? > > Dumbass! You did not call Brendan dumbass. Acknowledging "Mike Richter - The Slimiest Lying Friggin SOB (UDF)" is not a bullshit! =============================== From: Brendan R. Wehrung Date: 8/7/08 Subject: Mike Richter - The Slimiest Lying Friggin SOB (UDF) =============================== > With Nero, burn a mastering session on a 'virgin' DVD+RW. Watch the burn > progress message pane. You should see: > > "Start formatting disc before burning" Is that like a quick format, or is it a drawn-out process? SignatureEd Light Better World News TV Channel: http://realnews.com Bring the Troops Home: http://bringthemhomenow.org http://antiwar.com Iraq Veterans Against the War: http://ivaw.org http://couragetoresist.org Send spam to the FTC at spam@uce.gov Thanks, robots. . -------------------------------------- Mike Richter, were you born with "Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face? -------------------------------------- http://tinyurl.com/gqnae (No Mikey S-lickers have been able to prove ANY of the above ) (is a LIBEL -- despite Mikey claimed to have PROOF of libels!) ' > > With Nero, burn a mastering session on a 'virgin' DVD+RW. Watch the burn > > progress message pane. You should see: > > > > "Start formatting disc before burning" > > Is that like a quick format, or is it a drawn-out process? Quick format: "Media-Format will be stopped after burning" > . -------------------------------------- > Mike Richter, were you born with [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > "Media-Format will be stopped after burning" OK. Well, since the smear banner is still there, I'll filter you out so I don't have to see it. So long. SignatureEd Light Better World News TV Channel: http://realnews.com Bring the Troops Home: http://bringthemhomenow.org http://antiwar.com Iraq Veterans Against the War: http://ivaw.org http://couragetoresist.org Send spam to the FTC at spam@uce.gov Thanks, robots. . -------------------------------------- Mike Richter, were you born with "Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face? -------------------------------------- http://tinyurl.com/gqnae (No Mikey S-lickers have been able to prove ANY of the above ) (is a LIBEL -- despite Mikey claimed to have PROOF of libels!) ' Ed Light (Mikey S-licker) squeaked: > >>> Ed Light (Mikey S-licker) squealed: > >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Well, since the smear banner is still there, Again, no charge of libel? >. > I'll filter you out so I > don't have to see it. So long. You are hurting my feelings !? . -------------------------------------- Mike Richter, were you born with "Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face? -------------------------------------- > Mike Richter (Slimy sh.t) crapped: > > > > A disc needs to be formatted before it will permit drag-and-drop. > > A "virgin" DVD+RW needs to be formatted prior to its use even for > mastering. There are two formattings: (udf) formatting and (plain) formatting. DVD+RW needs to be (plain) formatted prior to its use. (udf) formatting is built on top of (plain) formatting. When Nero burns a mastering session on a 'virgin' DVD+RW: "Start formatting disc before burning" "Formatting disc was successful" "Start write address at LBA 0" > > Erasing is erasing and in itself does not format; > > in fact, it destroys formatting if present. > > DVD+RW does not support erasing. DVD+RW formatting does not get > destroyed. DVD+RW specification does not support erasing. However, this does not prevent software/burner to implement some sort of "erase" functionality. In any event, the (plain) formatting does not get erased. The rationale behind DVD+RW not supporting erasing is that it is not necessary (as overwriting does it). It only unnecessarily takes away one cycle from the overwritability. >. > Mikey, is there an end to your spreading misinformation?! [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Is this Mikey's wise words of the year? . -------------------------------------- Mike Richter, were you born with "Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face? -------------------------------------- > Mike Richter (Slimy sh.t) crapped: > > > > A disc needs to be formatted before it will permit drag-and-drop. > > A "virgin" DVD+RW needs to be formatted prior to its use even for > mastering. There are two formattings: (udf) formatting and (plain) formatting. DVD+RW needs to be (plain) formatted prior to its use. (udf) formatting is built on top of (plain) formatting. When Nero burns a mastering session on a 'virgin' DVD+RW: "Start formatting disc before burning" "Formatting disc was successful" "Start write address at LBA 0" > > Erasing is erasing and in itself does not format; > > in fact, it destroys formatting if present. > > DVD+RW does not support erasing. DVD+RW formatting does not get > destroyed. DVD+RW specification does not support erasing. However, this does not prevent software/burner to implement some sort of "erase" functionality. In any event, the (plain) formatting does not get erased. The rationale behind DVD+RW not supporting erasing is that it is not necessary (as overwriting does it). It only unnecessarily takes away one cycle from the overwritability. >. > Mikey, is there an end to your spreading misinformation?! [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Is this Mikey's wise words of the year? . -------------------------------------- Mike Richter, were you born with "Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face? -------------------------------------- > DiscSpeed is a free download from Nero, which includes an erase function. > > The dialog has both Erase and Format functions. What is the difference? > SCSI MMC has ERASE. Don't know. > One of my DVD+RW has a faint arc scratch, which shows up as hard errors at 3GB. > Should erase pick this up? The laser has to switch between read (tracking) and > writing, and can detect some flaws during the former. What you need is defect management. UDF 1.5 and up have the feature. Try InCD formatting with UDF 1.5 and UDF 2.01, and pick the one that does better defect management. > DiscSpeed is a free download from Nero, which includes an erase function. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Should erase pick this up? The laser has to switch between read > (tracking) and writing, and can detect some flaws during the former. I have read that Liteon produces a DVD drive that has Smart Erase - a function that permanently and completely erases ALL data so that no one would ever be able to extract data from the disk. It could be that Nero takes advantage of capabilities like this when it can. In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Jack Bauer <jb@nowhere.com> wrote: >> DiscSpeed is a free download from Nero, which includes an erase function. >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> Should erase pick this up? The laser has to switch between read >> (tracking) and writing, and can detect some flaws during the former. > I have read that Liteon produces a DVD drive that has Smart Erase - a > function that permanently and completely erases ALL data so that no one > would ever be able to extract data from the disk. Better not believe that. The information on how well you can erase optical media is sketchy. Sure, another plain optical drive will not read erased data. But it may or may not be possible to read it with special hardware. Arno > In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Jack Bauer <j...@nowhere.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Arno You do not actually need special hardware to recover quick erased disks. I have worked on a technique where DVD-RW (and CD-RW) can be recovered using standard hardware. On a DVD+RW the data is normally easily readable with a standard drive even when the DVD is apparently empty. The only secure erase will take time - probably at least 5 mins for a DVD and probably longer. Anything less, don't trust it. Michael www.cnwrecovery.com >> In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Jack Bauer <j...@nowhere.com> >> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > Michael > www.cnwrecovery.com Careful, you'll have Fucknert frothing at the mouth for sure. > > > In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Jack Bauer <j...@nowhere.com> > > > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > Michael > > www.cnwrecovery.com > Careful, you'll have Fucknert frothing at the mouth for sure. Is that an open nerv I hear sounding through, Roddy? It wasn't really your best week, was it. >>>> In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Jack Bauer <j...@nowhere.com> >>>> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > >> Careful, you'll have Fucknert frothing at the mouth for sure. > Is that an open nerv I hear sounding through, Roddy? Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed hallucinations, fucknert. |
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