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Come on, Mease. Honestly.

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trevor - 27 Jun 2006 04:47 GMT
First of all, apologies to all those who accuse me of "feeding the troll".

I make two defenses. To whit:

1. Mease is a defender of quality and he backs up his assertions with
verifiable and reproduceable findings. If you don't like his opinions, you
are free to do your own research.

2. Mease is a kick. In other words, and I don't mean to make anybody feel
bad, but Mease is just more fun than most folks. It's fun to post and see
how Mease tears us a new one. At the very least, Mease insures that I won't
be ignored, and I don't like to be ignored any more than you do.

NOW TO MEASEKITE:

Brother, I want you to do the "Measekite Challenge". Let us "aftermarket
sellers" see if we make your grade in public, right in front of everybody.
Let us send you free ink and you can rip us to shreds.

I've put this idea forward, and a few responders were like "how do you know
Measekite will give an honest opinion?"

And I'm like "I think I see an industry advocate here, let's listen". And I
think the implication

For if Measekite shoots down our ink, we can dispute or improve.

In other words, I'm not sure I see a down side.

NOW ALL YOU OTHER INK OUTFITS, TAKE NOTE.

If I can somehow induce Measekite into reviewing our products, we all get to
hear the "unvarnished truth" from someone we (and everybody else) knows
MEASEKITE'S OPINION CANNOT BE BOUGHT. If we fail the Measekite Challenge,
maybe you will pass. And then the truth will be known.

As far as we can tell, Measekite calls 'em like he sees 'em. That's our kind
of referee.

The people I work with seem to be every bit as enthused about ink as
Measekite, so my money is on the fanatics. In other words, I won't believe
our product doesn't meet with Measekite Specifications or exceed them until
I hear it from Measekite himself.

In other, other words, I'm ready to send free ink to Measekite just for the
analysis. Mease, come on bro. Want some free ink? Please? Purty-please?
Please review our ink and/or toner?

-Trevor posting on behalf of thINK4inc.com. Come visit!
measekite - 27 Jun 2006 06:19 GMT
>First of all, apologies to all those who accuse me of "feeding the troll".
>
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>Let us send you free ink and you can rip us to shreds.
>  

Here is how you should go about the Measekite Challenge

1.  On your website disclose who the mfg/formulator of your ink is

2.  Disclose that on the label on the prefilled cart

3.  Disclose that on the box

4.  Advertise that so people can track your product

5.  Develop an industry association and have all play by the rules.

>I've put this idea forward, and a few responders were like "how do you know
>Measekite will give an honest opinion?"
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>NOW ALL YOU OTHER INK OUTFITS, TAKE NOTE.
>  

Certainly they are reading every word.

>If I can somehow induce Measekite into reviewing our products, we all get to
>hear the "unvarnished truth" from someone we (and everybody else) knows
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>-Trevor posting on behalf of thINK4inc.com. Come visit!
>  
trevor - 28 Jun 2006 00:09 GMT
(snippage)

> Here is how you should go about the Measekite Challenge
>
> 1.  On your website disclose who the mfg/formulator of your ink is

That's the question that caught me by surprise. Sourcing is one of the arts
of the industry. You find a good supplier, you cut the best deal you can
with them and you hope the competition isn't doing as well. You absolutely
try to keep these deals a secret and you absolutely do everything you can
to nail down whatever "exclusive arrangement" you can with this supplier.
Guess why? To try to secure your position against competitors. See, that's
where the real competition is in this business-the supply side. It's hard
to charge more for the product, so your best way to increase margins are to
source for less. The fact is, until I'm told, I have no idea who and where
the various suppliers are. Sourcing is not my job.

So figuring it does no harm to ask, I went to the boss. "Where does our ink
come from?" He's like "all over the world, why?" And I'm like "some people
on usenet want to know" and he's like "why?" and I'm like "I dunno, because
they are curious?"

Well, I'm told that I'll be provided with as much information as "possible"
about our sources. I'm not sure how complete this information will be, but
I'm interested to see what the answer is too. Until that comes, understand
that we do in fact sell lots of OEM products. We generally try to have an
OEM option as well as an aftermarket/reman option for the consumer.

> 2.  Disclose that on the label on the prefilled cart

Does anyone else do that?

> 3.  Disclose that on the box

Again, does anyone else do that? And what percentage of the population do
you think would actually know or care about it?

> 4.  Advertise that so people can track your product

What do you mean "track" the product? Do you mean some kind of rating system
or historical performance data?

> 5.  Develop an industry association and have all play by the rules.

Hmmmm. Maybe there is such an organization already. I'll ask the big shots.
What would your "quick list" of rules be? 1-5 above?
measekite - 28 Jun 2006 01:57 GMT
>  
>
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>Does anyone else do that?
>  

No and that is why this is a sleezy industry

>  
>
>>3.  Disclose that on the box
>>    
>
>Again, does anyone else do that?

They should

>And what percentage of the population do
>you think would actually know or care about it?
>  

100% of the intilligent people who want to know what they are paying for

>  
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>or historical performance data?
>  

It is like this.  Canon ink is sold online, in all of the major office
supply stores and many big box stores.  It is all sold under the Canon
label.   If it was not good it would soon be known all over the industry
and also be reported by the computer and foto mags.

>  
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>Hmmmm. Maybe there is such an organization already. I'll ask the big shots.
>  

There are no big shots in the generic industy

>What would your "quick list" of rules be? 1-5 above?
>
>  
Edwin Pawlowski - 28 Jun 2006 03:44 GMT
"measekite" <inkystinky@oem.com> wrote in message
>>>2.  Disclose that on the label on the prefilled cart
>>
>>Does anyone else do that?
>
> No and that is why this is a sleezy industry

Is GM, Ford, and Chrysler sleazy too?  If you go to the dealership, they
offer genuine Mr. Goodwrench, Mopar, etc, oils and filters for your car.  We
all know they do not make them, but they do not reveal their sources either.
Your car is worth far more than the $99 printer, so . . . .
Gary Tait - 28 Jun 2006 23:36 GMT
measekite <inkystinky@oem.com> wrote in news:ztkog.73604$4L1.33278
@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com:

>>>3.  Disclose that on the box
>>>    
>>
>>Again, does anyone else do that?
>
> They should

The question is do they? The answere is few, if any do. OEM doesn't.

>>And what percentage of the population do
>>you think would actually know or care about it?
>
> 100% of the intilligent people who want to know what they are paying for

As opposed to aftermarket ink users that doesn't care, already knows, or
are satisfied with the product regardless.
Richard Steinfeld - 29 Jun 2006 05:51 GMT
> measekite <inkystinky@oem.com> wrote in news:ztkog.73604$4L1.33278
> @newssvr11.news.prodigy.com:
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> As opposed to aftermarket ink users that doesn't care, already knows, or
> are satisfied with the product regardless.

You know, I think you're onto something. I'll try to paraphrase it and
clear up the idea.

We fall into two-and-three-half camps here:
1. People who care about printing photographs.
2. People who don't print photographs and want good text printing with
some color to spice things up.
3. People who just want black printing.
4. People who mostly print text and graphics with occasional photos.
5. People who go to the store and buy OEM cartridges. They are not us.
They are probably Republicans and/or "naive end users." Or, hell: just
plain folks.

The requirements are different.

Group #1 cares about professional-quality results. These people need
consistent, repeatable results from their tools and supplies. Image
permanence is important. The criteria are similar to the criteria for
professional, serious amateur, and art photography.

Group #2 just want ink that works. Minor inconsistency is OK. Price is
important.

Group #3 need good crisp black ink performance and reasonable
permanence. They'll be just fine with laser/LED printers, and they'll
get high speed in the bargain. Price matters.

Group 4 will be similar to group 2. They want their photos to come out
pretty good, but color balance isn't super-critical. They'll be OK with
photo quality similar to automated drugstore 1-hour photo labs, cheap
mail-order photo processors, etc. They're into snapshots. Price matters.

Group 5 people don't hang out here.

None of these people want clogged heads and smeary printouts. If they
have an Okidata LED or a cheap Brother laser printer, they may flip out
when the time comes and they learn the price of a new drum.

So, it's clear that some people who participate here are very concerned
about knowing the source of their ink, in the same way that some
photographers need to know which batch their film is from. These
photographers tend to buy color film in bulk, and store the rolls in the
freezer. I'll venture that mostly, these serious inkjet users probably
have Canon printers. These people probably know that consistency will
cost money. Their vendors will not be able to buy ink on the spot
market, and the vendors will have to pay more for their consistent
supplies; thus, their wares will sell for more money. That's the
trade-off and it's worth it.

The other folks will probably be satisfied by getting very low prices
and bulk-reloaded cartridges of decent quality. If they fill their own
cartridges, they'll also be happy with no-name rebottled ink, so long as
that ink is of good quality, doesn't clog heads, etc. They're willing to
play ball with good ink mongers who buy decent ink on the spot market.

What's important is that we all realize these distinctions, and don't
try to lay our own particular requirements onto a poster whose needs are
different than our own.

I welcome corrections, illuminations, and comments.

Richard
Stick Stickus - 28 Jun 2006 07:16 GMT
> (snippage)
>
>> 5.  Develop an industry association and have all play by the rules.
>
> SNIPPED..

Here are a few worldwide industry associations........

     Arizona Cartridge Remanufacturers Association
     Web: www.supportacra.org
     Association of Toner Remanufacturers, Latin America
     Association of Japan Cartridge Remanufacturers
     Australasian Cartridge Remanufacturers Association  Web:
www.acra.asn.au
     Canadian Imaging Products Remanufacturers Association
     United Kingdom Cartridge Remanufacturers Association  Web:
www.ukcra.com
     International Imaging Technology Council  Web: www.i-itc.org
     European Toner and Inkjet Remanufacturers Association  Web:
www.etira.org/
     Association California Cartridge Remanufacturers
     Web: www.accr.com

Here are a couple of trade magazine web sites;

www.therecyler.com

www.rechargermag.com

There are others, but that's some for starters!
trevor - 28 Jun 2006 07:35 GMT
>> (snippage)
>>
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>
> There are others, but that's some for starters!

Thank you! That's awesome!
Ian - 28 Jun 2006 12:01 GMT
> > 1.  On your website disclose who the mfg/formulator of your ink is
>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> source for less. The fact is, until I'm told, I have no idea who and where
> the various suppliers are. Sourcing is not my job.

Obviuosly desperate for sales. Not 1 person has said they have tried
your ink. If your a seller of ink than the question would not have
caught you by surprise. You act as if your company has an exclusive
arrangment with the supplier...YA RITE.

"Sourcing is not my job" Nor is selling...You can't even give your ink
away. You as a non profesional to qualify your ink and expect everyone
to buy based on his responce. You have know intention on giving your
ink to anyone...for free...you can't...unless your real job is "the guy
that gives out free ink to unqualified people for testing."

Find a qualified source for testing and post the results. Who knows if
the ink you send is the ink you sell. You might change the ink once it
"qualifies".

Again...WHO MAKES YOUR INK???????????
Martin Trautmann - 28 Jun 2006 15:12 GMT
>  So figuring it does no harm to ask, I went to the boss. "Where does our ink
>  come from?" He's like "all over the world, why?" And I'm like "some people
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>  that we do in fact sell lots of OEM products. We generally try to have an
>  OEM option as well as an aftermarket/reman option for the consumer.

So the options are

1) you are a cheap seller: You take whatever you can get. You don't mind
about the continous quality of your ink, nor a permanent color match

2) you are a quality seller: You select your own sources. You have a
huge testing lab to ensure that source 1 will be mixed and modified to
the same output ink A as mixing A from source 2.

A typical member 2 seller would take the effort to have the same number
of inks as the original supplier, giving detailed lists which ink does
match which original ink best.

A typical member 1 has one ink, claimed to fit for all. A member who
claims to be 2, but is 1 only, might reuse the same ink, although naming
them differently.

A typical member 2 would take high efforts to offer the SAME quality.
That's not necessarily a good quality - but it's reliable.

Maybe there are some few sellers of a type 3 which could provide BETTER
(and stable) quality. From those I would expect that they would offer
e.g. color profiles, although a pro user would do this himself fo a
special ink and a special paper. But a pro would like e.g. reasonable
certificates, proofing the higher quality, e.g. by long time UV / ozone
tests.

> > 2.  Disclose that on the label on the prefilled cart
>
>  Does anyone else do that?

Yes - I know a poor example of a Print Rite relabel. He names the proof
of quality. He shows the certificates. But those certificates are just
blank forms without names written on them.

> > 3.  Disclose that on the box
>
>  Again, does anyone else do that? And what percentage of the population do
>  you think would actually know or care about it?

Only few would know. Here in Europe it's more important to use a label
that is known from good old office applications.

> > 5.  Develop an industry association and have all play by the rules.
>
>  Hmmmm. Maybe there is such an organization already. I'll ask the big shots.
>  What would your "quick list" of rules be? 1-5 above?

* warranty for no damage to the print head

 ... you'd ensure that the end user would not have to mind. You'd
 ensure that the printer manufacturer could not refuse warranty
 when a user did take your ink

* warranty for matching color

* warranty for long term stability

* warranty for physical behavior (e.g. usability for duplex print)

...
Bob Headrick - 27 Jun 2006 07:08 GMT
> First of all, apologies to all those who accuse me of "feeding the
> troll".
>
> I make two defenses. To whit:
[snip]
> At the very least, Mease insures that I won't
> be ignored, and I don't like to be ignored any more than you do.

Indefensible.  *PLONK*
Redneck Jim - 27 Jun 2006 07:34 GMT
>> First of all, apologies to all those who accuse me of "feeding the
>> troll".
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>> At the very least, Mease insures that I won't
>> be ignored, and I don't like to be ignored any more than you do.

I think you two deserve each other -  ** PLONK  **
Richard Steinfeld - 27 Jun 2006 23:57 GMT
>>>First of all, apologies to all those who accuse me of "feeding the
>>>troll".
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> I think you two deserve each other -  ** PLONK  **

This thread is getting so plonkidellic. Lighten up, everyone.

Richard
Mike - 27 Jun 2006 09:08 GMT
> First of all, apologies to all those who accuse me of "feeding the troll".

Exactly.
Do you really care what one person thinks?!.
The fact the rest of us have him killfiled makes your post even more
pointless.
Im sure you could have found better things to do with your time than write
this post.  If you really have nothing better to do
email him directly to discuss this nonsense.
Paul Heslop - 27 Jun 2006 09:27 GMT
> First of all, apologies to all those who accuse me of "feeding the troll".
>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> bad, but Mease is just more fun than most folks. It's fun to post and see
> how Mease tears us a new one.

Nope, he stopped being funny because it's like a stuck record. Stuck
records get binned.

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milou - 27 Jun 2006 10:00 GMT
>First of all, apologies to all those who accuse me of "feeding the troll".

<drivel snipped>

plonk.
Hendo - 27 Jun 2006 11:40 GMT
> First of all, apologies to all those who accuse me of "feeding the troll".
>
> I make two defenses. To whit:
>
> -Trevor posting on behalf of thINK4inc.com. Come visit!

I know where my money will not be spent...."PLONK"
Paul Heslop - 27 Jun 2006 13:11 GMT
> > First of all, apologies to all those who accuse me of "feeding the troll".
> >
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> I know where my money will not be spent...."PLONK"

Jees, I was so bored by the end of the first bit I didn't realise it
was blatant spam.
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measekite - 27 Jun 2006 19:01 GMT
>  
>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>I know where my money will not be spent...."PLONK"
>  

Yeah, now you can buy Canon, HP, or Epson.

But there are so manny relabelers in disguise in this ng I do not think
Treaver is losing anything.
TJ - 27 Jun 2006 13:37 GMT
> First of all, apologies to all those who accuse me of "feeding the troll".

<snip>
Gee, that worked well. Your approach is novel, but unappreciated here by
most. You were refreshing at first, but this thread isn't helping you
any. And you are inching your way into advertising more and more, which
also isn't appreciated here.

TJ
John Eppley - 27 Jun 2006 14:29 GMT
We are missing the main point.....

We are assuming that any printer manufacturer is entitled to force the user
of their product to use their ink........only. This is a ridiculous premise.
There is no practical reason to be forced into using an OEM staple whether
it be in our automobile, our home computer or a printer.

Under the our free enterprise system in the USA, the printer manufacturers
have the right to market and sell any product we WISH to buy. The type of
paper and recommended ink type should be specified by the printer maker to
allow us choices of suppliers. Then, "let the best supplier win". This IS
the free enterprise system. A poor ink maker will be out of business very
quickly. Ditto for a poor printer manufacturer.

(it worked for typewriters)

Don't worry about the printer makers "going out of business" because of
lowered income. The free enterprise system will always sprout a new builder,
or designer to harvest our money. We are damn good at creating
opportunities. We are held down in technology breakthroughs when we accept
the premise of "only we, the OEM can do good things for you".

John
measekite - 27 Jun 2006 19:06 GMT
>We are missing the main point.....
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>it be in our automobile, our home computer or a printer.
>  

That is correct.  You do not have to buy their printer.  I think you
should look for an aftermarket printer that is shipped with not ink or
carts.  You can then buy all of the generic ink and carts from
anywhere.  The printer should also not have any warranty either.

>Under the our free enterprise system in the USA, the printer manufacturers
>have the right to market and sell any product we WISH to buy. The type of
>paper and recommended ink type should be specified by the printer maker to
>allow us choices of suppliers. Then, "let the best supplier win". This IS
>the free enterprise system. A poor ink maker will be out of business very
>quickly.

That is not true.  There are so many misinformed users and other users
who do not want to be informed.  They stated here they do not want to
know the mfg/formulator of what they buy.

>Ditto for a poor printer manufacturer.
>  

Lexmark still sells inkjets.

>(it worked for typewriters)
>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
>  
zakezuke - 27 Jun 2006 19:41 GMT
> That is not true.  There are so many misinformed users and other users
> who do not want to be informed.  They stated here they do not want to
> know the mfg/formulator of what they buy.

When you take it upon your self to *inform* people something they
expressly told you they don't want to hear, this is harassment.

Besides, most people don't care who the mfg/formulator is, so long as
the product works that's good enough.  That's the way it is with OEM,
you have NO clue what they put in there above and beyond what's on the
box and MSDS.  At least buying bulk ink I can choose Image-Specalists
or Formulabs.
measekite - 27 Jun 2006 19:02 GMT
>> First of all, apologies to all those who accuse me of "feeding the
>> troll".
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> TJ

Yeah, he is definately advertising but many in this ng are just doing
public relations.
Michael Johnson, PE - 27 Jun 2006 23:21 GMT
> Mease insures that I won't
> be ignored, and I don't like to be ignored any more than you do.

You two will get along just fine in my kill file.  You can look
google-eyed at each other all day long.  "PLONK"
Richard Steinfeld - 28 Jun 2006 00:00 GMT
>> Mease insures that I won't
>> be ignored, and I don't like to be ignored any more than you do.
>
> You two will get along just fine in my kill file.  You can look
> google-eyed at each other all day long.  "PLONK"

Why did you put quotes around "plonk?" Were you quoting someone?

Richard
Michael Johnson, PE - 28 Jun 2006 01:36 GMT
>>> Mease insures that I won't
>>> be ignored, and I don't like to be ignored any more than you do.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Why did you put quotes around "plonk?" Were you quoting someone?

For emphasis.  I could have used *PLONK*, PLONK, ~PLONK~, <PLONK> etc.
Are you trying to be funny?
Richard Steinfeld - 28 Jun 2006 03:08 GMT
>>>> Mease insures that I won't
>>>> be ignored, and I don't like to be ignored any more than you do.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> For emphasis.  I could have used *PLONK*, PLONK, ~PLONK~, <PLONK> etc.
> Are you trying to be funny?

No. You confused me. Using quotes for "emphasis" doesn't work. If you
wish, you can "plonk" me. Or, in newsgroup/email tradition, _plonk_ me.

Richard
milou - 28 Jun 2006 09:07 GMT
>No. You confused me. Using quotes for "emphasis" doesn't work. If you
>wish, you can "plonk" me. Or, in newsgroup/email tradition, _plonk_ me.
>
>Richard

Done
Michael Johnson, PE - 28 Jun 2006 15:25 GMT
>>>>> Mease insures that I won't
>>>>> be ignored, and I don't like to be ignored any more than you do.
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> No. You confused me. Using quotes for "emphasis" doesn't work. If you
> wish, you can "plonk" me. Or, in newsgroup/email tradition, _plonk_ me.

It seems you are more disturbed with my "PLONKING" than the syntax used.
 I'll explain my reason for *PLONKING* in this instance.  I have come
to the conclusion that in this newsgroup there are some who have become
as irritating as the poster I originally _PLONKED_ because they appear
to be fixated on that individual and want to encourage him to post more
drivel.  Therefore, I need to "widen my net" so to speak in order to
further filter out more useless posts involving the original <PLONKEE>.
 I hope this helps clear your confusion.  I have no reason to ~PLONK~
you at this time. ;)
Richard Steinfeld - 28 Jun 2006 18:18 GMT
> It seems you are more disturbed with my "PLONKING" than the syntax used.
>  I'll explain my reason for *PLONKING* in this instance.  I have come to
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>  I hope this helps clear your confusion.  I have no reason to ~PLONK~
> you at this time. ;)

Naw.
Sorry. I over-reacted to your misuse of quotes. As a tech writer, I'm
bugged by confusing traditions that get perpetuated to the point where I
begin to doubt my own correct usage: things like "insure" for "ensure,"
and the apostrophe for plural.

And some traditions are "correct" without any particular logic. Our
American standard, for example, is to put punctuation inside the
"quotes;" like I just did; the Brits do the opposite.

Richard
Michael Johnson, PE - 28 Jun 2006 18:38 GMT
>> It seems you are more disturbed with my "PLONKING" than the syntax
>> used.  I'll explain my reason for *PLONKING* in this instance.  I have
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> American standard, for example, is to put punctuation inside the
> "quotes;" like I just did; the Brits do the opposite.

I am definitely not the sharpest knife in the drawer when it comes to
proper punctuation, grammar, proof reading and Net etiquette.  Thank God
for spell check, otherwise my posts would be a total mess.
Richard Steinfeld - 29 Jun 2006 05:26 GMT
>>> It seems you are more disturbed with my "PLONKING" than the syntax
>>> used.  I'll explain my reason for *PLONKING* in this instance.  I
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> proper punctuation, grammar, proof reading and Net etiquette.  Thank God
> for spell check, otherwise my posts would be a total mess.

Yeah. I know. And English is such a tricky language because so much of
it doesn't make sense. But some of it does and that's cool; other
standards are just, well, standards. I used to be married to an editor
-- and she is very good at her craft. I sometimes edit other peoples'
stuff and make it much, much better. But then, a professional editor can
tweak my work also.

Net etiquette has its value, but there are some times when, for example,
top posting is actually easier to comprehend and makes more sense than
the rule.

Richard
Arthur Entlich - 30 Jun 2006 06:33 GMT
Since "PLONK" is not a word, per se, but instead represents a sound,
single or double quotes symbols help to express that to the reader.

Art

>>> Mease insures that I won't
>>> be ignored, and I don't like to be ignored any more than you do.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Richard
frank - 28 Jun 2006 02:19 GMT
> First of all, apologies to all those who accuse me of "feeding the troll".

----worthless diatribe snipped------------------

I've had that know nothing stuck-on-stupid meahsershithead who is a
known oem spamming liar kill filed now for months. He is a certified
mentally deranged idiot who is also a moron. He has one printer...has
never used after market inks...and you think he's expert on after market
inks?
Guess what? You too are an idiot just like him.
Guess again...KILL FILE!!!
Frank
Edwin Pawlowski - 28 Jun 2006 03:38 GMT
"trevor" <not@home.now> wrote in message

> In other, other words, I'm ready to send free ink to Measekite just for
> the
> analysis. Mease, come on bro. Want some free ink? Please? Purty-please?
> Please review our ink and/or toner?

Seems as though you PO'd a lot of people with your idea.  Personally, I'd
like to se a test of your ink, plus a couple of others, by the resident
curmudgeon of inks.  .  The backup to the offer should be a replacement
printer if you ruin his.  No risk to the tester.

Ink should be sent blind to Mease from a third party.
trevor - 28 Jun 2006 07:44 GMT
> "trevor" <not@home.now> wrote in message
>>
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>
> Seems as though you PO'd a lot of people with your idea.  

No kiddin' eh?

> Personally, I'd
> like to se a test of your ink, plus a couple of others, by the resident
> curmudgeon of inks.  

I think it would be great. What the heck?

> The backup to the offer should be a replacement
> printer if you ruin his.  No risk to the tester.

Boy, that's going to throw a wrench in it. But it is a good point. I
understand that mis-applied cartridges can physically break a printer and I
know that bad ink can clog print heads, so you are right.

> Ink should be sent blind to Mease from a third party.

That would increase confidence in results. Someone else published their
personal ink review here and it was great. Kind of home-spun maybe, but the
process yielded a lot of good observations.

-Trevor
zakezuke - 28 Jun 2006 08:14 GMT
> Seems as though you PO'd a lot of people with your idea.  Personally, I'd
> like to se a test of your ink, plus a couple of others, by the resident
> curmudgeon of inks.  .  The backup to the offer should be a replacement
> printer if you ruin his.  No risk to the tester.
>
> Ink should be sent blind to Mease from a third party.

What would be more reasonable would be a goodwill printer with the
approperate inks in it.  Something like an i550 or i560, which I tend
to see for under $15.00 still in reasonable working order.  Even an old
S520 would be an adquate vehicle for testing.
Gary Tait - 28 Jun 2006 23:27 GMT
> First of all, apologies to all those who accuse me of "feeding the
> troll".
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> verifiable and reproduceable findings. If you don't like his opinions,
> you are free to do your own research.

She doesn't though. He claims all aftermarket ink is crap, or there is no
trusted sources of quality aftermarket ink, and is messy to refill, both
with no hands on expierience, and selectively ignoring the testimonials of
poseters here. She also asserts we aftermarket ink users are "in da
bizznees", which is not tru for most of us.
 
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