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Walter R. - 26 Apr 2008 00:41 GMT
My old 19" monitor gave up its ghost. Most monitors are now the wide-screen
variety, although some 4x3 monitors are still available.

I suppose, a 22" widescreen monitor has about the same number of square
inches as a 19" 4x3 format monitor.

My computer is six years old and uses a Nvidia GeForce 4Mx4000.

I suppose that most websites are still designed for 4x3 monitors and, if I
use a widescreen monitor, I will have large black spaces on both sides of my
screen.

Can someone enlighten me? Buy a 19" 4x3 or a 22" widescreen monitor?

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Calab - 26 Apr 2008 00:44 GMT
> My old 19" monitor gave up its ghost. Most monitors are now the wide-screen
> variety, although some 4x3 monitors are still available.
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> Can someone enlighten me? Buy a 19" 4x3 or a 22" widescreen monitor?

If your REALLY cheap, you can find good deals on used CRT monitors.

If you are going to buy new, find a decent widescreen LCD.

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Grinder - 26 Apr 2008 01:27 GMT
> My old 19" monitor gave up its ghost. Most monitors are now the wide-screen
> variety, although some 4x3 monitors are still available.

As far as 19" monitors non-widescreen go, it seems like a lot of them
are 5:4, but that's only a small point.

> I suppose, a 22" widescreen monitor has about the same number of square
> inches as a 19" 4x3 format monitor.
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> Can someone enlighten me? Buy a 19" 4x3 or a 22" widescreen monitor?

Personally, I don't really watch a lot of movies on my pc, or play many
games, so a widescreen monitor is not that attractive.  I have a 19"
5:4, that I can pivot 90 degrees.  I like that, but might go for a
larger 4:3 on the next round.

I do have a widescreen monitor, however, hooked up to an xbox that I use
as a media center.  There the widescreen makes a lot of sense.

The lingering question, though, is if your video card will support the
native resolution of the widescreen monitor of choice.  Video memory is
not a problem for any reasonably contemporary card, (your MX4000 should
be fine) but for whatever reason, the widescreen resolutions seem to be
less supported.

A pretty common native resolution for a 22" widescreen LCD is 1680 x
1050.  I see that ubuntu users are apparently getting that resolution
out of the card, but couldn't guarantee it for windows.
kony - 26 Apr 2008 03:37 GMT
>My old 19" monitor gave up its ghost. Most monitors are now the wide-screen
>variety, although some 4x3 monitors are still available.
>
>I suppose, a 22" widescreen monitor has about the same number of square
>inches as a 19" 4x3 format monitor.

If your 19" was a CRT, a 22" LCD has a much larger screen
area.  If your 19" was LCD, a 22" has roughly 10% more area,
though more usable realestate due to (typically) higher
resolution.  Whether that space is truely useful in your
particular applications depends on what you run and your
ability to adapt to the new resolution - just as anyone has
to do with any resolution change.

>My computer is six years old and uses a Nvidia GeForce 4Mx4000.
>
>I suppose that most websites are still designed for 4x3 monitors

Not necessarily, they are generally designed for a certain
minimum width which tends to be either 1024 or 1280 on sites
that are updated more often and have less considerate
webmasters.  As for height, that's just a matter of how much
you have to scroll.  If we were instead to look at the shape
of the typical sought-after content on a page, where there
is often navigation and advertising on the left and right
sides, then the best monitor resolution would probably be a
page view style about 1280 wide by 2400 tall, except that TN
panels are popular in monitors and don't do well when the
viewing angle deviates much from 90'.

>and, if I
>use a widescreen monitor, I will have large black spaces on both sides of my
>screen.

?  No you won't, download and install a recent driver from
http://www.nvidia.com for your video card (after
uninstalling the old one) and you can set a custom
resolution (which in the case of 22" would be 1680x1050)
which makes use of all available space, no black bars on the
sides.

Further, many monitors default mode of operation is that if
you were to output a non-native resolution (native
resolution is always recommended since it is a much sharper
image) then the display on the screen would stretch out to
fill all available space.  The nVidia drivers also tend to
have settings where you can control this behavior, whether
it stretch out or put the black bars on the sides to keep
the correct aspect ratio.  Regardless, it should allow
setting the proper resolution so this wouldn't be a factor.

>Can someone enlighten me? Buy a 19" 4x3 or a 22" widescreen monitor?

19" LCD aren't 4:3 usually, they're either widescreen also,
or some are 5:4 as 1280x1024.

Get the 22" unless the budget is tight and you want the
slight cost savings.
kony - 26 Apr 2008 03:55 GMT
>>and, if I
>>use a widescreen monitor, I will have large black spaces on both sides of my
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>which makes use of all available space, no black bars on the
>sides.

Here is an example of the driver setting you would use for a
22" LCD:

http://69.36.166.207/usr_1034/nvidia_custom_res.gif

After "Add"ing that resolution it will be available for
selection on the slider you would normally use to change
resolution on the primary Display Properties page in
windows.  60Hz is the typical preferred resolution for an
LCD, some will do slightly higher than this but unlike with
CRTs, higher refresh rate is not needed to get rid of
flickering.
Darklight - 26 Apr 2008 12:44 GMT
> I suppose that most websites are still designed for 4x3 monitors and, if I
> use a widescreen monitor, I will have large black spaces on both sides of
> my screen.

that depends on the graphics card i don't think your present graphics card
would do the job very well on the size of screen you want
philo - 26 Apr 2008 13:37 GMT
>> I suppose that most websites are still designed for 4x3 monitors and, if
>> I
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> that depends on the graphics card i don't think your present graphics card
> would do the job very well on the size of screen you want

It's easy enough to find that out in advance.
Just find the specs of the monitor and see if the current video card can be
set for the monitor's native resolution.

If the needed settings are not avail.It may be as simple as just updating
the video card's drivers...
from the mfg's website.

My older GeForce card was not a problem to setup
kony - 26 Apr 2008 16:15 GMT
>> I suppose that most websites are still designed for 4x3 monitors and, if I
>> use a widescreen monitor, I will have large black spaces on both sides of
>> my screen.
>
>that depends on the graphics card i don't think your present graphics card
>would do the job very well on the size of screen you want

It should do fine at 2D, just not 3D gaming.  The remaining
issue is whether it has DVI output, as that native
resolution @ 22" starts to get a little fuzzy with analog,
at the very least requiring a fairly decent cable be used.
philo - 26 Apr 2008 13:23 GMT
> My old 19" monitor gave up its ghost. Most monitors are now the
> wide-screen variety, although some 4x3 monitors are still available.
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>
> Can someone enlighten me? Buy a 19" 4x3 or a 22" widescreen monitor?

I recently bought a 22" widescreen and it works just fine.
Once you set it to native resolution there is no distortion.

I'm sure your video card can run at whatever resolution is needed.
Walter R. - 26 Apr 2008 16:57 GMT
Thanks, but, what is meant by "native resolution"?

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>> My old 19" monitor gave up its ghost. Most monitors are now the
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>
> I'm sure your video card can run at whatever resolution is needed.
Grinder - 26 Apr 2008 18:55 GMT
> [W]hat is meant by "native resolution"?

Unlike a CRT monitor, an LCD monitor has specific discrete pixels that
make up the display area.  The CRT monitor is like a phosphorus canvas
that the electron gun paints an image upon.  An LCD monitor is like the
face of a building, where each individual window can have a blind lifted
to let light from within pour out.

When you use a resolution other than the LCD's "native resolution," some
approximation must occur, generally causing a bit of blurriness.
Sensitivity to this effect seems to vary widely from user to user.

All of the 22" widescreen monitors I've looked at have a native
resolution of 1680 x 1050, or a 16:10 aspect ratio.
philo - 26 Apr 2008 18:59 GMT
>> [W]hat is meant by "native resolution"?
>
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> All of the 22" widescreen monitors I've looked at have a native resolution
> of 1680 x 1050, or a 16:10 aspect ratio.

LOL

and of course , leave it to me for an oddball then

mine is 1440 x 900

but I had no problems getting that
Grinder - 26 Apr 2008 19:52 GMT
>>> [W]hat is meant by "native resolution"?
>> Unlike a CRT monitor, an LCD monitor has specific discrete pixels that
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> but I had no problems getting that

I did a quick search at newegg of all the 21-23" widescreen monitors
that did not have a native resolution of 1680x1050.  It came up with one
monitor that has a resolution of 1440x900, but a *recommended*
resolution of 1366x768.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824112008

Now /that's/ odd.
Paul - 26 Apr 2008 20:43 GMT
>>>> [W]hat is meant by "native resolution"?
>>> Unlike a CRT monitor, an LCD monitor has specific discrete pixels
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>
> Now /that's/ odd.

It has a native resolution of 1366x768. It appears to accept RGB signals
(analog) outside that spec, so is downsampling ? In any case, the Newegg
reviews are so bad, I'd stay far far away. (Most of the reviewers seem
to be enjoying their dead pixels.)

http://www.sceptre.com/Products/LCD/Specifications/spec_X23wg-1080p.htm

This is probably an LCD panel from an LCD TV, that has been pressed into
use as a monitor. Which is why it has the weird specs. Sort of like an
LCD TV but without a tuner. The disparity of 1360x768 versus 1366x768,
would be the difference between what a typical PC video card might be able
to achieve (the first spec), versus the panel itself (the second spec).
A lot of LCD TVs have that 1366x768 thing, even though it is not a match
for 1080 or 720. Someone should write an article about scaler technology,
and what is so magic about 1366x768.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/720p

   Paul
larry moe 'n curly - 26 Apr 2008 14:10 GMT
> My old 19" monitor gave up its ghost. Most monitors are now the wide-screen
> variety, although some 4x3 monitors are still available.
>
> I suppose, a 22" widescreen monitor has about the same number of square
> inches as a 19" 4x3 format monitor.

A 22" widescreen is almost exactly the same height as a 19" 4x3 CRT
monitor.  I've never measured a 19" 4x3 LCD, but generally the
advertised diagonal size of an LCD is accurate, not 1" greater, as it
is for CRTs.

If you're thinking of a 22" widescreen LCD, be sure there's a windows
driver for your graphics card that supports the LCD's native
resolution, which is probably 1650 x 1050 for a 22", or the picture
will look fuzzy.

Why did your 19" monitor fail?  Most CRT monitor failures simple and
cheap for DIY fix, so at the very least don't toss it in the trash but
give it to somebody who can fix it. All of my 19" monitors have come
from the trash, and even I was able to get every one working without
much work.
philo - 26 Apr 2008 14:14 GMT
>> My old 19" monitor gave up its ghost. Most monitors are now the
>> wide-screen
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> from the trash, and even I was able to get every one working without
> much work.

Unless one is familiar with monitors...it's best not to open them up...
as high volatge may be present even with it unplugged.

I find that if an old monitor is out of focus...that is an easy adjustment
to make...
but considering that there are literally tons of them being tossed out each
day
and I can find them by the truckload...If I can't fix it in 5 minutes...I
take the monitor to the recycling center
 
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