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Can I replace my Nvidia Geforce 2 mx 200 with a new matrox millenium G550?
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HDI - 08 Apr 2008 15:18 GMT Hi,
I hope someone can help me.
In my P4 I've got a Nvidia Geforce 2 mx 200 AGP card and I want to replace it with a matrox millenium G550 dual monitor card.
If I'm right the new matrox millennium G550 will fit perfectly in my agp slot port because they are both universal AGP cards.
Can anyone confirm this before I buy this new card?
Thx
Paul - 08 Apr 2008 23:26 GMT > Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Thx According to this, the G550 is universal. Notice that some Matrox models, existed as two different standards. So for some Matrox products, you have to be much more careful.
http://www.playtool.com/pages/agpcompat/agp.html
Matrox used to have a forum, where issues like this may have been discussed. But they closed that forum. The G550 is listed here, as being OK. On the G400, you have to check the part number for "4A" to be safe. This is an archive of the site - not all links on an archived page, will work properly.
http://web.archive.org/web/20040114013240/http://forum.matrox.com/mga/viewtopic. php?t=4326
Paul
HDI - 10 Apr 2008 14:37 GMT > > Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Paul Ok thanks.
I visited the local shop site and the only matrox G550 I found was an 'Matrox Millenium G550 - 32 MB - PCI Low Profile - 2 x VGA' (manufacturer code: g55mddap32dbf), so no AGP. There are also PCIe but I haven't got such a slot.
Should I look further for an AGP or does both of them have the same performance and is the slot the only difference? Maybe I'm wrong but I thought AGP is better than PCI.
A second question. Can I put any PCI card in a pci slot or are there also differences like AGP.
GT - 10 Apr 2008 14:50 GMT On 9 apr, 00:33, Paul <nos...@needed.com> wrote:
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I visited the local shop site and the only matrox G550 I found was an 'Matrox Millenium G550 - 32 MB - PCI Low Profile - 2 x VGA' (manufacturer code: g55mddap32dbf), so no AGP. There are also PCIe but I haven't got such a slot.
Should I look further for an AGP or does both of them have the same performance and is the slot the only difference? Maybe I'm wrong but I thought AGP is better than PCI.
A second question. Can I put any PCI card in a pci slot or are there also differences like AGP.
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The 'same' card in AGP or PCIe will have the same, or at least very very close performance.
Not sure quite what you are asking in the second question... I suspect you might be confusing PCI with PCIe. PCI is the normal slot used for add-in cards in the PC. There are usually 3-5 PCI slots on a motherboard. The PCIe is the new graphics card slot - replacement of AGP. A PCI card will not fit in a PCIe slot. A PCIe card will not fit in a PCI slot. As a last resort - look on Wikipedia for a short explanation of them all.
HDI - 10 Apr 2008 15:14 GMT > On 9 apr, 00:33, Paul <nos...@needed.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > slot. As a last resort - look on Wikipedia for a short explanation of them > all. OK thanks I'll look on Wikipedia.
> The 'same' card in AGP or PCIe will have the same, or at least very very > close performance. The card I found was an 'Matrox Millenium G550 - 32 MB - PCI Low Profile - 2 x VGA' (manufacturer code: g55mddap32dbf). It's a PCI not a PCIe. I haven't got a PCIe slot.
Is the PCI card also the same and has it the also the same performance?
Paul - 10 Apr 2008 22:19 GMT >> On 9 apr, 00:33, Paul <nos...@needed.com> wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > Is the PCI card also the same and has it the also the same > performance? PCI slots have lower performance than AGP. The difference is most apparent in games (games with a lot of bus traffic). If you are updating a lot of 2D pixmaps on the screen in real time (like a movie), the PCI bus may also feel the strain a bit. You could also have other traffic competing for the PCI bus, like say some PCI IDE card with disk traffic on the bus.
AGP8X = 2132MB/sec. AGP4X = 1066MB/sec. AGP2X = 533MB/sec. AGP1X = 266MB/sec
PCI (ordinary desktop bus) = 133MB/sec
PCI Express x16 (newest video slot standard) = 4000MB/sec on TX and on RX
The Matrox Millenium G550 PCI low profile, when plugged into a desktop PCI slot, will be limited to the 133MB/sec figure. By using burst transfer, you might see a practical transfer rate of 110MB/sec or maybe a bit more.
http://www.matrox.com/graphics/en/crepro/products/gseries/g550lppci.php
Note that particular card has a low profile faceplate, so the tab won't align with a regular computer case PCI screw hole. That particular card is designed for a smaller computer case. Some low profile cards will come with two faceplates, a regular height one and a low profile one, so you can fit the low profile card into any desktop computer. (You install a faceplate, according to the slot height.)
AGP cards are still available, some with dual heads. For example, this one has a 1.5V only AGP slot pattern on the edge. You should check your motherboard documentation, to see what AGP voltages your motherboard supports. I suspect you have plenty of choices available to you, since you mentioned P4.
http://c1.neweggimages.com/NeweggImage/productimage/14-161-210-05.jpg
This site has some info.
http://www.playtool.com/pages/agpcompat/agp.html
If you post back the name of the motherboard, I can help suggest what kind of AGP cards would work. Or you can use the Playtool page and figure it out.
Paul
HDI - 12 Apr 2008 20:42 GMT > >> "HDI" <hd...@hotmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 85 lines] > > - Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven - I've got a Compaq Evo D310, Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.40GHz, 512 MB Baseboard: Compaq 0804h.
I need a dual monitor just for administration, not for games.
Paul - 13 Apr 2008 01:22 GMT >>>> On 9 apr, 00:33, Paul <nos...@needed.com> wrote: >>>> [snip] [quoted text clipped - 75 lines] > > I need a dual monitor just for administration, not for games. According to this page, the chipset is 845G for the D310.
http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/11348_na/11348_na.HTML
You can use CPUZ program, to verify the chipset description.
http://www.cpuid.com/cpuz.php http://www.cpuid.com/download/cpuz_144.zip (download)
According to the playtool.com web page, 845 is "AGP 1.5V Motherboard".
On page 6 here, there is a picture of the motherboard in the computer. The brown slot, next to the three PCI slots, is the AGP slot. It will have a key inserted in the slot, to only allow 1.5V compatible cards to be added. Either a "universal" card, with two slots cut, would work, or a card with the 1.5V only (a modern card), would also fit.
http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bc/docs/support/SupportManual/c00658831/c00658831.pdf? jumpid=reg_R1002_USEN
From the playtool table "Practical Motherboard And Card Compatibility"
AGP 3.3V AGP 1.5V Universal AGP Universal 1.5V Universal AGP 3.0 Card Card Card AGP 3.0 Card Card
AGP 1.5V Motherboard Won't fit Works at 1.5V Works at 1.5V Works at 1.5V Works at 1.5V in slot
Many cards should fit in the brown AGP slot. The card on the left in the following picture, is a 1.5V only card, and it would match the key in the AGP slot exactly. The card on the right is "universal" and will also fit and work fine (I use an FX5200 AGP with a connector like that, and it even works with my old 440BX motherboard). Only the card in the center of this picture, is inappropriate for the 845G, and will not physically fit in the brown AGP slot.
http://www.playtool.com/pages/agpcompat/voltageslots.jpg
This is an example of a card. A Geforce 6200. It has a "universal" connector so will fit any AGP slot. It has one DVI connector and one VGA connector. You did not mention the two monitor types you want to use, whether they had to be digital or analog.
http://c1.neweggimages.com/NeweggImage/productimage/14-127-317-03.jpg
To illustrate a second card, this is an HD 2400 Pro with two DVI-I connectors. You could connect two Apple 30" Cinema monitors with DVI connectors with this card.
http://c1.neweggimages.com/NeweggImage/productimage/14-103-046-04.jpg
The 2400 Pro is a 1.5V only card, and will fit your brown AGP slot.
http://c1.neweggimages.com/NeweggImage/productimage/14-103-046-05.jpg
If you wanted to use two VGA monitors with the 2400 Pro card, you can purchase a DVI-I to VGA adapter. The two ends of the adapter are pictured here. The first picture, plugs to the video card side. The second picture, is where the monitor cable goes for a VGA 15 pin monitor. Two operate two monitors of the VGA type, you'd buy two of these adapters.
http://c1.neweggimages.com/NeweggImage/productimage/12-267-001-03.jpg http://c1.neweggimages.com/NeweggImage/productimage/12-267-001-06.jpg
More information about DVI connectors, and their capabilities, is here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dvi
There are many other AGP cards still around for sale. But be careful that -
1) The faceplate connector configuration, and adapters (DVI-I to VGA or whatever else is included), are suitable to drive your two monitors.
2) That the card is modern enough, to have the correct connector on the card - either a 1.5V only card, or a "universal" connector.
3) For very modern cards, the drivers are not available for all operating systems. For example, the HD 3850 AGP, the most recent AGP card introduced, and a powerful gaming card, only comes with a WinXP driver. There is no driver for Win2K (my operating system). If you are using Win98, then much more research will be needed, to find a card and driver that will work.
You can see more AGP cards here.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010380048%201069609 639&bop=And&Order=PRICE&Pagesize=100
HTH, Paul
HDI - 14 Apr 2008 15:34 GMT > >>>> On 9 apr, 00:33, Paul <nos...@needed.com> wrote: > >>>> [snip] [quoted text clipped - 164 lines] > > - Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven - Thanks for the explanation.
I tried to run cpuz but on that computer I got an windows error so I couldn't check the chipset.
I was looking at some dual monitor cards and saw that the power supply requirements of the card require 350Watt or more and I've got only 220W of output. Is this too low or am I looking at the wrong ones. (I need a good quiet one for administration)
Paul - 14 Apr 2008 16:41 GMT > Thanks for the explanation. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Is this too low or am I looking at the wrong ones. (I need a good > quiet one for administration) You were running a Geforce2 MX200, and that was drawing some power. The older cards would tend to draw as much current from +3.3V as they were allowed (something like 6 amps). So you could count on them using at least 20 watts.
I don't have power numbers for all the modern cards. Xbitlabs measures some video cards, and so those numbers are available.
You could use something like an ATI 9250. This one has no fan on it, and is passively cooled. That tells you the power would be reasonably low.
http://c1.neweggimages.com/NeweggImage/productimage/14-241-075-05.jpg
The thing is, I don't know what type of connectors you are looking for in a graphics card. That ATI 9250 card has one VGA connector and one DVI-I. By using a DVI-I to VGA adapter, you would get a second VGA connector. So the card could drive two VGA monitors.
There is an Nvidia 6200 with a couple VGA connectors on it.
http://c1.neweggimages.com/NeweggImage/productimage/14-139-028-03.jpg
This ATI HD 2400 pro has nice connectors on it (two dual link DVI-I) but since it has a fan for cooling, it might be a few watts more than the 9250. I cannot find a measured power number for it. It is listed as "25W" here (and that 25W would be when in 3D mode - most of the time, the power would be lower than that).
2400PRO512ASB (HD 2400 Pro, Diamond brand, $85) http://c1.neweggimages.com/NeweggImage/productimage/14-103-046-05.jpg
(Power listed as 25 watts) http://www.gpureview.com/show_cards.php?card1=526&card2=
Another card (that isn't being made any more), would be a 7600 GS AGP. But it is listed as 32 watts, on this page.
http://www.gpureview.com/show_cards.php?card1=526&card2=434
When Xbitlabs did a measurement, they didn't have a 7600 GS, and used a 7600 GT and turned down the clocks on the card, to emulate a 7600 GS. The card they used would also be PCI Express, meaning the card would be missing the Rialto bridge chip on the back side of the card. The power number they got was 27.4W at full (3D) power.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/power-noise_6.html
But it looks like this picture of a 7600 GS AGP, has a Molex power connector on the end of the card, and that is generally a sign of higher power usage. Strange.
http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/directron_1993_214060693
There are some older video card power numbers listed here. Selecting a video card, causes the estimates to appear in the spreadsheet.
http://web.archive.org/web/20040411032947/http://www.takaman.jp/psu_calc.html?english
I think I'd give the HD 2400 Pro a try, if I needed maximum flexibility in terms of the connectors on the card. Of course, check to see if it has drivers for your OS. To run two VGA 15 pin monitors with the HD 2400 Pro, you'd need to buy two DVI-I to VGA adapter plugs.
Or, you could get the 9250, if you wanted to run a couple VGA connector equipped monitors. Drivers should be less of a problem, unless you're trying to run Vista or something.
Paul
HDI - 14 Apr 2008 19:15 GMT > > Thanks for the explanation. > [quoted text clipped - 74 lines] > > Paul
>I don't know what type of connectors you are looking for >in a graphics card. I was thinking of one vga and one dvi-i connector.
> Or, you could get the 9250, if you wanted to run a couple VGA connector > equipped monitors. Drivers should be less of a problem, unless you're > trying to run Vista or something. It's for Windows xp pro.
Paul - 15 Apr 2008 07:53 GMT >> I don't know what type of connectors you are looking for >> in a graphics card. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > It's for Windows xp pro. MSI NX6200AX-TD256H D2 GeForce 6200 256MB 64-bit GDDR2 AGP 8X Video Card - Retail $33 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127317
Click the "products supported" for a list of cards supported by the driver.
http://www.nvidia.com/object/winxp_169.21_whql.html
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On the ATI side, this card is passively cooled (meaning low input power).
HIS Hightech H955H256-1TOAN Radeon 9550 256MB 128-bit DDR AGP 4X/8X Video Card - Retail $40 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161080
This is the driver obtained, when I looked for something for 9250. 6.11 means the driver was released Nov.2006. The actual product support list doesn't list the 9250 explicitly on this download page.
http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/xp/radeon-prer300-xp.html
The 9550, on the other hand, shows up in the 8.3 driver, which would have been released Mar. 2008. Which means the support is a little more recent (even if new code was probably not added for such an old card). The 9550 is supposed to be DX9 in hardware. (The 9250 is listed as DX8.1 .)
http://game.amd.com/us-en/drivers_catalyst.aspx?p=xp/radeonx-xp
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The above two cards aren't too expensive.
You can have a look through the list here, and visually check for the VGA/DVI-I connector combination you want, and select a card with passive cooling and good reviews.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010380048+106960963 9&Configurator=&Subcategory=4
These pages can help decipher the vital statistics.
http://web.archive.org/web/20050305080648/http://www.benchmark.pl/artykuly/zesta wienie_GPU_2/skala_wydajnosci.html http://www.techpowerup.com/gpudb/ http://www.gpureview.com/show_cards.php
A note on passively cooled cards. I have a couple FX5200 cards, both passively cooled. One is stable without a fan pointed at it, and the other needs a fan pointed at it, to be stable. So even though they provided a heatsink, that doesn't mean the heatsink was installed very well, or was tested thoroughly. I use an 80mm fan mounted in an adjacent slot to the card that isn't so stable, to help cool it.
HTH, Paul
HDI - 15 Apr 2008 14:38 GMT > >> I don't know what type of connectors you are looking for > >> in a graphics card. [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] > HTH, > Paul I've looked here in the shops for passively cooled agp dual monitor cards.
What do you think of these (they have to handle at least a resolution of 1440x900):
* Gigabyte Geforce 7600 GS 256 MB (GV-N76G256D-RH)
Is the max power draw of 32 W too much for this computer? The interface is AGP 8X and my current one is AGP 4X. If my motherbord can handle only 4X will this work?
* XFX GeForce 6200A 256 MB (PV-T44A-WANG)
The second one is two times as expensive as the first one.
Paul - 15 Apr 2008 16:16 GMT > I've looked here in the shops for passively cooled agp dual monitor > cards. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > The second one is two times as expensive as the first one. That one is an interesting mix of features. On the one hand, it has an external power connector. (Usually a sign of slightly higher power consumption.) The idea is, they wanted a source of +12V to run the power conversion, without the limitations of the current carrying capabilities of the pins on the AGP slot. On the other hand, the heatsink is passive (and the heatsink is a bit larger than some of the other passively cooled cards). I'd say this is a possible solution, as you don't plan to use the 3D features, so it probably won't get that hot.
GIGABYTE GeForce 7600GS GV-N76G256D-RH Video Card http://c1.neweggimages.com/NeweggImage/productimage/14-125-039-09.jpg
The 7600GS power varies between 14W and 28W or so, according to this estimation (they used a 7600GT and downclocked it, to make the measurement).
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/power-noise_6.html
You can read some of the review comments here. They mention the heatsink runs pretty hot, so you may want to place a fan near the card. You can connect a computer case fan to one of your motherboard fan headers, to get a source of power for the fan.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductReview.aspx?Item=N82E16814125039
The second card (PV-T44A-WANG) is apparently carried by Dell. A non-Dell web site lists the price as being somewhere in the $50 USD range. A couple places list it as out of stock, but may be arriving soon. This site lists the card for $42.
http://www.mwave.com/mwave/viewspec.hmx?scriteria=3903480
Judging by the size of the heatsink, the 6200 draws less power. Note that the FX5200 AGP that I had a fan mounted next to, had the exact same kind of heatsink as your 6200. So it still might need a fan, if there are signs of instability.
If you can find the 6200 card for a reasonable price, then that might run a bit cooler. If you don't want to deal with Internet sellers, then get the 7600GS card. You'll need to provide a source of power to the 7600GS, to the four pin Molex on the end of the card. If your power supply doesn't have any spare Molex power connectors, you can use a "Y cable" to make another connector for it. (Some video cards, like my ATI 9800Pro, included a Y cable for power.) There is a female and two male connectors, and allows extending power from the back of a disk drive. I've used quite a few of these, for my computers, for one thing and another. I've also used them to power fans.
http://c1.neweggimages.com/NeweggImage/productimage/12-201-006-02.jpg
The 7600GS won't use its maximum power, unless you are doing stuff involving 3D. Games are something that uses 3D. Vista also does a bit of 3D (Aero interface, compositing of windows etc). Perhaps an application that uses OpenGL, would kick the card into 3D mode as well.
Some video cards support user adjustment of core and memory clocks. If you want to further reduce the power consumption of a card, then turning down the clocks being used on the card, is one way to do it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RivaTuner
In terms of installing the card, this is what I'd recommend.
1) Make sure you have a driver to install on the new card. There should be a CD in the box. You can also download a more recent driver from the Internet before you start work. 2) Uninstall the existing driver for the MX200. Check Add/Remove control panel, and look for the Nvidia driver. 3) Shut down and remove power from the computer. Change video cards. 4) On bootup, the new card will operate in a vanilla VGA mode. Install the new Nvidia driver. After a reboot, you should be offered more output resolutions, and be able to set up the display properly. 5) If the card runs too hot (either behaves unstable, or you burn yourself on the heatsink), then either you can experiment with Rivatuner or you can purchase a case cooling fan, and fit that next to the card, blowing on the heatsink.
If you need a fan, this is an example. I have one of the larger Vantec fans, and it is pretty quiet. This one is 80mm square, and 27 CFM. It is pictured with a Molex power connector, so if you purchased yet another Molex Y cable, both this fan and the 7600GS power connector, could run off an existing disk drive power cable.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductReview.aspx?Item=N82E16811999602
Finding a bracket to hold a fan, can actually be difficult. I made my own bracket, using a piece of aluminum from the hardware store (L shaped cross section). This is an example of a retail kit, that could hold a fan where it is needed. This kit would allow positioning a fan next to a video card (but takes up a slot or more).
http://www.logisyscomputer.com/viewsku.asp?SKUID=CF108&DID=COOLDEV http://www.logisyscomputer.com/images/SKUImages/CF108_13.jpg (picture)
There are also complete heatsink replacements for video cards, but fitting cards that have an HSI bridge, is a bit more difficult. (Cooling kits don't always fit AGP cards.) And the replacement coolers also make your overall video card purchase a lot more expensive than it should be. This is an example of one.
Here, someone is fitting a VF700 to their video card. The blue heatsink covers the HSI chip. The problem with this, is the top edge of the VF700, can bump into the side panel on the computer case. The video card in this case, is a 6600GT AGP, a 50W card.
http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/9413/660029to.jpg
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/gpu-consumption2006_7.html
HTH, Paul
HDI - 17 Apr 2008 09:27 GMT > > I've looked here in the shops for passively cooled agp dual monitor > > cards. [quoted text clipped - 124 lines] > > - Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven - Another problem: When I look at the resolutions supported 1440 x 900 isn't in the list.
Maybe I have to start all over and thinking of getting a new power supply.
Paul - 17 Apr 2008 13:17 GMT >>> I've looked here in the shops for passively cooled agp dual monitor >>> cards. [quoted text clipped - 124 lines] > Maybe I have to start all over and thinking of getting a new power > supply. For the 7600GS, this is the Gigabyte web page.
http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Products/VGA/Products_Overview.aspx?ProductID=2334
Gigabyte has a link at the bottom of the page, listing resolutions. Page 2 has the resolution you are looking for.
http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/FileList/NewTech/2006_vga_newtech/standard_modes.pdf
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This is the page for PV-T44A-WANG, the 6200a. There isn't really any reassurances of what modes are supported here.
http://www.xfxforce.com/web/product/listConfigurationDetails.jspa?productConfigu rationId=79772
If I look at the release notes of the latest Nvidia driver release -
http://us.download.nvidia.com/Windows/169.21/169.21_WinXP_Forceware_Release_Notes.pdf
On page 50 is a list of cards and their combined resolution options. The top of page 54 lists this:
1440 x 900 32 60 70 72 75 85 100 120 140 144 150 170 200
That is 1440x900 in 32 bit color, at refresh rates from 60 to 200. Now, we know that this is an analog specification (because the digital wouldn't support refresh that high), so that specification is what the VGA connector is capable of. The digital DVI specification should not support quite as high a refresh rate.
So I cannot say I have 100% assurance that both analog and digital support that resolution on the 6200A, because the release notes document doesn't present the resolution information as nicely as the Gigabyte document does. It probably does, but I cannot guarantee it.
Paul
HDI - 17 Apr 2008 13:35 GMT > >>> I've looked here in the shops for passively cooled agp dual monitor > >>> cards. [quoted text clipped - 164 lines] > > - Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven - I was looking for the 7600GS.
When you see on page 36 of het manual, http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Support/VGA/Manual_DownloadFile.aspx?FileType=Manual& FileID=17420, you can see the resolutions in windows xp. As you can see it jumps from 1360 * 768 to 1600 * 900.
Paul - 17 Apr 2008 14:19 GMT > I was looking for the 7600GS. > > When you see on page 36 of het manual, > http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Support/VGA/Manual_DownloadFile.aspx?FileType=Manual& FileID=17420, > you can see the resolutions in windows xp. As you can see it jumps > from 1360 * 768 to 1600 * 900. This is from the Gigabyte web page. Download this file.
http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/FileList/NewTech/2006_vga_newtech/standard_modes.pdf
That file is available when you click the "More Information" at the bottom of this page.
http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Products/VGA/Products_Overview.aspx?ProductID=2334
The resolution is programmable in hardware. The table in the manual is not fixed by the hardware. The driver software makes those settings programmable and a new driver can change the values.
For instances where the drivers do not list support for a particular resolution, you can use Powerstrip. But I don't think that is necessary in this case. I would use the standard Nvidia software first, and try and set it up.
http://www.entechtaiwan.com/util/ps.shtm
Entechtaiwan has a forum with frequently asked question files.
http://forums.entechtaiwan.net/viewforum.php?f=7
This is the "Custom Resolution Primer".
http://forums.entechtaiwan.net/viewtopic.php?t=24
As well as Powerstrip, the Nvidia control panel frequently has a "Custom Resolution" dialog box as well. So it can be used to set resolutions not in the chart.
So you do have options, if the standard software doesn't work for you.
Paul
HDI - 18 Apr 2008 10:20 GMT > > I was looking for the 7600GS. > [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > Paul First of all to thank you for the excellent help. As you can see I've still a lot to learn.
One thing I want to check is the card compatibility.
When I was reading the reviews on newegg.com I found a topic that this card does not support AGP 4X. On http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Products/VGA/Products_Overview.aspx?ProductID=2334 I can only find that it supports AGP 8X.
Previously we talk about this so I check playtool again.
845 is "AGP 1.5V Motherboard" Nvidia GeForce 7600 is an universal 1.5v agp 3.0 card.
I checked the "Practical Motherboard And Card Compatibility" table and it should work at 1.5V.
So when I check this the card works in my motherboard or am I missing something and is the Nvidia GeForce 7600GS card different as the one I found in the list, the Nvidia GeForce 7600GS?
HDI - 18 Apr 2008 12:40 GMT > > I was looking for the 7600GS. > [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > Paul First of all I want to thank for all the help. I still have a lot to learn.
On newegg.com is one topic of 5/24/2007 : 'the card does not support agp 4x'
But when I look in the "Practical Motherboard And Card Compatibility" table in playtool then I see that it should work at 1.5V. (845 is "AGP 1.5V Motherboard" and NVIDIA GeForce 7600 is "universal 1.5V agp 3.0 card")
So my question is : Am I wrong or is the topic wrong or is the NVIDIA GeForce 7600GS (couldn't find this in the playtool list) different from the NVIDIA GeForce 7600?
Paul - 18 Apr 2008 20:02 GMT >>> I was looking for the 7600GS. >>> When you see on page 36 of het manual, [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > GeForce 7600GS (couldn't find this in the playtool list) different > from the NVIDIA GeForce 7600? Universal 1.5V AGP 3.0 Card 1.5V slot Supports 1.5V and 0.8V signaling. Available speeds 1x, 2x, 4x at 1.5V and 4x, 8x at 0.8V.
Your chipset is 845G. 4X max AGP speed. 1.5V only operation. The line "Available speeds ... 4x at 1.5V" matches that.
Remember, that there are several cards in the Playtool list, that use the HSI bridge chip. All the cards of that type are labeled "Universal 1.5V AGP 3.0 Card". Any other cards which use the HSI chip, would have the same specification. In other words, it is not the GPU which interfaces to the AGP slot, it is the HSI chip and its specification that counts.
I found a thread, where someone uses a KT333 with a 6600GT AGP, and the KT333 is an AGP 4X chipset.
In the Newegg review for "GIGABYTE GV-N76G256D-RH", there is one entry that says -
"This card works with asus 4ps533 @ 4x AGP no problemo" (That is a P4S533 with SIS645DX chipset.)
The A7N266-VM mentioned in the Newegg thread, uses nForce 220-D (i.e. "Nforce" in playtool list), and it should work. But in this thread, both a 6200 and a 7600GS did not work.
http://vip.asus.com/forum/view.aspx?id=20070713121717406&board_id=1&model=A7N266 -VM&page=1&SLanguage=en-us
I expect there will be examples that work and examples that don't work. The Playtool classifications may not always be correct. The thing about buying AGP video cards, is you cannot have 100% certainty in all aspects, before buying.
To give you an example, I bought a TNT card (don't remember all the details now), and did all my research first. Got it home, plugged it in, and got no video. It seemed my motherboard could not power it, as near as I could tell. I doubt the card was bad, but I took it back to the store and got my money back. There will always be cases, where you try your best to match them, and they still don't work.
Paul
HDI - 23 Apr 2008 08:23 GMT > >>> I was looking for the 7600GS. > >>> When you see on page 36 of het manual, [quoted text clipped - 94 lines] > > - Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven - On nvidia forum I found this:
NVIDIA based graphic cards which support AGP 8x mode (Accelerated Graphics Port) follow the AGP 3.0 specification. The AGP 3.0 specification retains backwards compatibility with older AGP 4x technology. All NVIDIA Geforce and Quadro GPU's which support AGP 8x mode are downwards compatible with AGP 4x motherboards. When a graphics card which operates at AGP 8x mode is installed on a motherboard which only supports up to AGP 4x mode, the card will automatically switch to AGP 4x operation.
So I think we can saw that it works.
kony - 17 Apr 2008 17:16 GMT >>> If you can find the 6200 card for a reasonable price, then that might >>> run a bit cooler. If you don't want to deal with Internet sellers, then [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >>> >>> http://c1.neweggimages.com/NeweggImage/productimage/12-201-006-02.jpg In some cases, some cards will automatically run at a lower speed if one merely *forgets* to plug in the aux power connector - an automatic downclock would serve the purpose of lowering card temp and power as another alternative to the custom display resolution setting in nVidia's last few driver releases. IOW, with a card this age it would be good to get the newer nVidia.com driver, not installing the one from the included CD.
With the Gigabyte's stock passive sink, the next PCI slot empty, that empty slot's rear bracket cover off, and driver ("coolbits" registry entry enabled) underclocking of GPU speed, 7600GS should stay cool enough without an addt'l fan unless the case cooling was already poor w/o the card installed. Underclock it enough and it might not even reach 20W in 3D though anything beyond the Vista Aero interface wouldn't be very good playing on an underclocked 7600GS unless a quite old game or 2D only.
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