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Sunshine - 27 Jul 2007 02:05 GMT
I have a Dimension 4300.  My power supply is 250 W.  Can I upgrade to 300 or
350 W.  What power supply would be compatible w/my unit. I just purchased a
flat panel monitor, now I want to upgrade my graphic board.Well ,since I'm
at it, can you recommend a graphics board.  I am interested mainly in photos
and clear text.
Sunshine - 27 Jul 2007 02:11 GMT
I have the Dimension 4300 Mini Tower
>I have a Dimension 4300.  My power supply is 250 W.  Can I upgrade to 300
>or 350 W.  What power supply would be compatible w/my unit. I just
>purchased a flat panel monitor, now I want to upgrade my graphic board.Well
>,since I'm at it, can you recommend a graphics board.  I am interested
>mainly in photos and clear text.
Ben Myers - 27 Jul 2007 02:39 GMT
Any standard form factor ATX12v power supply will fit in the Dimension 4300
case.   Antec is one of the better brands.  There may be other brands
recommended by someone else.

For a graphics card, literally any AGP graphics card with a DVI (Digitial Video
Interface) connector will do, because the digital in DVI makes everything
sharper than the older analog 15-pin SVGA interface.  I saw an enormous
improvement in overall clarity with my LCD flat panel monitor when I installed a
simple low-end Diamond AGP card with ATI graphics chip... Ben Myers

>I have a Dimension 4300.  My power supply is 250 W.  Can I upgrade to 300 or
>350 W.  What power supply would be compatible w/my unit. I just purchased a
>flat panel monitor, now I want to upgrade my graphic board.Well ,since I'm
>at it, can you recommend a graphics board.  I am interested mainly in photos
>and clear text.
Steve W. - 27 Jul 2007 02:39 GMT
> I have a Dimension 4300.  My power supply is 250 W.  Can I upgrade to 300 or
> 350 W.  What power supply would be compatible w/my unit. I just purchased a
> flat panel monitor, now I want to upgrade my graphic board.Well ,since I'm
> at it, can you recommend a graphics board.  I am interested mainly in photos
> and clear text.

You won't need a new power supply. Dell SERIOUSLY underrates the
supplies in the machines they sell. Your 250 watt supply is closer to a
350 watt supply that other places sell. The 8200 I have has what Dell
calls a 250 watt in it, I have at least 350 watts of gear on it. Not a
single problem.

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Steve W.
Near Cooperstown, New York

Barry Watzman - 27 Jul 2007 03:26 GMT
The current requirements of PCs are also vastly overstated.

My PC:

Core 2 Duo E6600
2 gig RAM
2 hard drives
2 DVD burners
ATI All-in-Wonder 2006 video
Creative SoundBlaster Audigy 2 with Live Drive

The PC is plugged into a power strip with 6 other things on it (scanner,
printer, cable modem, monitor (19" LCD), router, switch).

The TOTAL actual power consumption (actual measured) is 190 watts.  Not
just for the PC but for the entire power strip.

[How to measure watts:  In this case, the strip (which is JUST a power
strip and not a surge protector) is plugged into an APC 1500 VA UPS, the
UPS software displays actual power consumption.  I also have a
"Kill-A-Watt", which is an inline true power meter.  190 watts, give or
take 10%, both ways.

>> I have a Dimension 4300.  My power supply is 250 W.  Can I upgrade to
>> 300 or 350 W.  What power supply would be compatible w/my unit. I just
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> calls a 250 watt in it, I have at least 350 watts of gear on it. Not a
> single problem.
Barry Watzman - 27 Jul 2007 03:21 GMT
If you did not have a machine with a proprietary non standard power
supply, the answer would be yes; you could put in a 1,000 watt supply if
you wanted to (the computer would still only use something less than 200
watts, but that's ok).  The rating on a power supply is only how much
the supply is capable of supplying, what the computer uses is a function
of the computer and not the power supply.

I'm not certain that your Dell actually uses a non-standard, proprietary
power supply, but many Dell models do.

I don't have enough information about your system to suggest a better
video card.

> I have a Dimension 4300.  My power supply is 250 W.  Can I upgrade to 300 or
> 350 W.  What power supply would be compatible w/my unit. I just purchased a
> flat panel monitor, now I want to upgrade my graphic board.Well ,since I'm
> at it, can you recommend a graphics board.  I am interested mainly in photos
> and clear text.
S.Lewis - 27 Jul 2007 12:04 GMT
>I have a Dimension 4300.  My power supply is 250 W.  Can I upgrade to 300
>or 350 W.  What power supply would be compatible w/my unit. I just
>purchased a flat panel monitor, now I want to upgrade my graphic board.Well
>,since I'm at it, can you recommend a graphics board.  I am interested
>mainly in photos and clear text.

I would simply get the LCD monitor, and avoid the graphics/video card
upgrade costs if possible - given your stated usage.

The machine is getting a bit long in the tooth and any money for a new card
would be better saved for your next new desktop tower (which will ideally
have a far more capable video card included at a modest cost.)

No point in spending $$$ on an AGP video card when any new machine uses PCI
express.

jmo.

Stewart
Barry Watzman - 27 Jul 2007 13:38 GMT
If his current video board has only analog VGA output, and if his new
monitor has a DVI input, he would be well advised to upgrade his video
to a card that has DVI output for his stated objective, e.g. "I am
interested mainly in .... AND CLEAR TEXT"

The difference in clarity between VGA and DVI can be staggering,
although in some cases it is not all that great.  A lot depends on the
adjustment of the LCD monitor (dot clock frequency and phase) as well as
the analog VGA cable connecting the monitor to the computer.  But, while
VGA analog displays can sometimes be improved to come closer to the
clarity of a digital display, a digital display will never be worse than
analog and will always display the best possible image that the monitor
is capable of rendering, while the best that an analog interface can do
is to fall just short of that, and in many cases what actually happens
is that the analog display falls far short of that.

This need not be expensive; both AGP and PCI Express video cards that
have DVI outputs and that are powerful enough to run the Aero interface
of Vista can be had for well under $50, and often as low as $20.

>> I have a Dimension 4300.  My power supply is 250 W.  Can I upgrade to 300
>> or 350 W.  What power supply would be compatible w/my unit. I just
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>
> Stewart
Ben Myers - 27 Jul 2007 13:54 GMT
I concur from my experience with my own LCD monitor.  Everything is much much
sharper and clearer with a DVI-capable AGP card.  I will assume that an older
computer like a Dimension 4300 will never be upgraded to Vista.   (I absolutely
recommend against it.)   A simple AGP card with DVI connector and as little as
32MB of memory will work just fine, and, better still, will not require any
upgrade of the power supply.   So for a really modest investment, the OP meets
the stated objective of clear text and sharp photo images.

eBay always has a fair number of 32MB and 64MB AGP cards with DVI connector in
the $20 to $25 range, from sellers with decent feedback ratings... Ben Myers

>If his current video board has only analog VGA output, and if his new
>monitor has a DVI input, he would be well advised to upgrade his video
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>> Stewart
S.Lewis - 27 Jul 2007 15:50 GMT
>I concur from my experience with my own LCD monitor.  Everything is much
>much
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> the $20 to $25 range, from sellers with decent feedback ratings... Ben
> Myers

That's fine. And I respect the difference in opinion.

I'm simply not going to throw any money down a hole for any AGP based system
with PC133 RAM that (due to age) might croak tomorrow - even though the 4300
is a solid machine.

Now if the OP is sitting there with a 16mb ATI Rage Pro (AGP)
card.......flip a coin.

I'd plan on moving the (new) LCD to any variety of $499 and up Core2Duo
desktops......

The machine (the 4300) is functional but is at a dead end for any beneficial
carryover to a new machine (other than the new monitor).

If the OP is on a super-tight budget, then upgrade the card they must.....

Stew
Ben Myers - 27 Jul 2007 18:31 GMT
The color and the quantity of money would drive this decision.  If the OP is on
an extremely modest budget after buying the LCD monitor, the inexpensive
AGP-with-DVI alternative makes sense.  If the OP still has a few discretionary
bucks available, then definitely another system.   The 4300 certainly is long in
the tooth... Ben Myers

>>I concur from my experience with my own LCD monitor.  Everything is much
>>much
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>
>Stew
 
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